Monday, January 21, 2008

Another, "Dead Person Is A Muslim" Controversy

Police yesterday took away the remains of a 74-year-old man from a Chinese funeral parlour near here after his eldest son claimed that the deceased was a Muslim.

Abdul Rahman Gan Abdullah, 47, who had embraced Islam several years ago, lodged a report at the Seremban 2 police station claiming that his father, Gan Eng Gor, had converted to Islam on July 3 last year and had taken the name Amir Gan Abdullah.

When met at the funeral parlour, one of Eng Gor’s eight other children, Hock Sin, said the family was shocked to hear of this.

“When my father died this morning in Klang, I called to inform Abdul Rahman as he was the eldest. The entire family is shocked at his claim.

“We have been practising Buddhists all our lives. How is it that none of us, including my mother who has been looking after my sick father for the past two years, has no knowledge of this?” asked Hock Sin.

Temiang assemblyman Datuk Tiger Lee Yuen Fong and Rahang asemblyman Datuk Yip Chee Kiong, who were at the funeral parlour, appealed to all parties to remain calm and allow the authorities to assess the situation.

They also spoke with Eng Gor’s widow, Chua Chun, 65.

Hock Sin said it was not possible for his father to have embraced Islam as he had been bedridden for the past two years after suffering a stroke.

“He could not talk, so how was it possible that he converted?

State Islamic Affairs assistant director Mohd Yusof Tahir, who arrived at the funeral parlour later, produced copies of a certificate and a card from the department which stated that Eng Gor had embraced Islam on July 3 last year.

Abdul Rahman was not present.

Speaking to reporters later, Mohd Yusof said the matter would be heard before the Syariah Court today.

Lee told reporters that the MCA would help appoint a counsel for the aggrieved family.

Eng Gor’s remains are being kept at the Tuanku Jaafar Hospital mortuary. (The Star)

***** The increasing number of cases of super-secret 'embracing' of Islam which often come to light only after the death of those who 'have seen the light' is indeed a worrying phenomena. Why should anyone indulge in this sort of subterfuge? In this particular case it is perplexing that an aged person who has suffered a stroke and has been unable to speak or exercise total control over his intellectual faculties for nearly two years, could have so furtively 'converted' to Islam six months ago and that too without the prior knowledge of his family members who have been taking care of him all this while! Something wrong somewhere.
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22 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The moral of the story is never never never ever convert to Islam; you do it at your own perils even after death !

11:53 AM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...he had been bedridden for the past two years after suffering a stroke. “He could not talk, so how was it possible that he converted?”

So it seems likely that sign language such as a simple nod of the head or a bat of an eyelid is all that is required for conversion.

For all we know, the old man was nodding his head when asked whether he was thirsty, and hey presto! they have a saudara baru (yang hampir mati)

1:06 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently the converted son wants to be the sole heir of his property. By 'converting' his old man to Islam, he's the only next-of-kin in that legal sense as all the rest of the children must convert before they can legally inherit any part of his property.

1:28 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, Temiang assemblyman Lee Yuen Fong and Rahang asemblyman Yip Chee Kiong,
How could people remain calm when these shocking "news" & incidents keep on repeating regularly!

Last advices to all: DONOT immediately inform your converted-family-members of deceased elders. Make sure you have performed all whatever rituals you wanted to do and claim & split all the inheritance/properties before you inform any of your converted-family-members.

1:52 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what is this body-claiming thing anyway?!Isn't the spirit and the dead person's beliefs n practices before he died more important?? How to have respect for those who insist on fighting for a stiff even if they knew he was a pork-eating infidel? man, wouldn't the pork-ful body contaminate the other 'pure' corpses.

2:02 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comment no 3 is the most likely reason for this mess. That son is a 'boo-siau-zi'.

2:19 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we are not surprised anymore with this rubbish right?
It's not the first time this has happened, it's not going to be the last!

4:10 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes. monetary benefits and shirking of responsibilities seem to be the the main motive.

there must be mechanisms put in place to stop all these nonsense to uphold the respect and dignity of the religion.

i appealed to the religious authorities to consider allowing a person to convert only if they are sincere.

and the conversion must be witness by at least two family members whose integrity are beyond doubt.

4:37 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

am just wondering what is the role of the police in this body dispute? no wonder, crime rate is rising rapidly.

5:46 PM GMT+8  
Blogger BrightEyes said...

Assuming he actually DID convert, the eldest son & religious authorities did nothing for 6 months... until only the bedridden man died.

I smell a rat.


Under religious law, all inheritance goes to the Muslim next-of-kin. Nothing for the heathen family members, not even the wife. Also, some property goes to the government. I won't be surprised if Mr.Yusof Tahir of the Negeri Sembilan Religious Dept. gets some of the loot himself.

What name is "Datuk Tiger Lee" anyway? Do we have a politician named "Datuk Goat See" too?

8:00 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is ETHNIC CLEANSING Malaysia-style! Stay away from Islam. The devil is at work!

8:11 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTF is this shit ???
The morons from the religious department never even bother to oversee the deceased's welfare when he was dying, now he is dead and they want the body ?

WTF !!!

10:25 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Foreign tourists are well warned to watch out for "bag snatchers" when they enter Malaysia.

Looks like a second item must be added to the list:-

Beware of body snatcher!!!

Since religion is such a sensitive issue, every Islamic body must be trained properly to handle wisely conversion of people from other faiths especially the sick & the elderly.

The Islamic dept should make it absolutely clear by inviting the family memebers to witness the conversion and issues conversion papers etc. Failing which they should view them as non conversion.

This will avoid grief upon grief heaps upon the berieving family having to fight out in court for the dead body. Its disgusting and its a big sin!!!!!

3:35 AM GMT+8  
Blogger bibliobibuli said...

this is so sinister it's almost beyond belief (particularly when the inheritance issue is factored in). i feel so sorry for the family.

6:41 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do agree with Fair!

what is this man... why would the religious dpt wants a body when they DON'T even know the deceased!! Aihz.. hard to determine our religion once we died! Next thing we know, we are muslims. Malaysia boleh..!!

8:09 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys - it is all about numbers!!

How do you think that the Muslims keep repeating that they are the fastest growing religion? I will tell you how.

By snatching dead bodies, by refusing to allow Muslims the choice of leaving the faith, by having many wives (thus creating many kids), and by not telling the real truth of Islam. Why would they since they themselves have no clue since they just recite the Arabic verses but have no clue as to the meaning.

You people in Malaysia better watch out for the upcoming "Jizya" taxes which Muslims charge non-Muslims to live on their land.

5:14 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One shocking news! The Gan family lost heir case! I am wondering is there any justice in MALAYSIA!~??

There were evidence.. look @ the picture published in the newspaper whereby the deceased was photographed with his two grandchildren! He is totally incapable of taking care of himself let alone converting himself!

I wonder why there were so many individuals especially non-muslims surrendered their Malaysian citizenship.. Not to mention of them for not returning at all. & GOVERNMENT are pretending WHAT are the damn reasons...~

It is just matter of time these figures will double in the years to come and don't blame the former Malaysian for letting go their so called "MALAYSIAN" status!

6:26 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The deceased eldest brother is inhuman for converting the father for his own benefits without even the consent from the family & deceased himself for incapable of defending himself. God's willing what are the benefits from converting him as he has been practicing to be a rather normal CHINESE activities as in eating porks, praying to CHINESE GODS and to mention other illegal activities which are forbidden from MUSLIMS.

And yet, they want to contaminate their sacred land by snatching a poor old man's body and the deceased's soul will be left restless.

Just wondering.. is it a correct word? Will there be any BALASAN to that bloody eldest son for betraying his own father?

I do hope the day will come and pray for that day and also, for the restless soul. Let's pray for the oldman.

7:14 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.jeffooi.com/2008/01/gan_eng_gor.php

6:50 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Malaysia increasing the cases such like this case....Malaysia suppose to be a free country...why this kind of cases will happen in this country?Actually this case is not only the government's wrong...the real blame should goes to the elder brothers....in this country have alots of people is fanatic bout their own religion...but i really don't understand that why is the elder is a Chinese (buddism) before this....and he only converted into islam for few years only...why he become so fanatic? what is good bout islam?is just a bunch of people that does't eat pork!!!

10:46 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The conversion was done by proof of thumb-print and withness by the b***d eldest son and Majlis agama authorities, the deceased old man normally sign when he is healthy. From this instance, beware of you thumb-print, you might loose your religion status as non-muslim when you are semi-concious by taking your thumb print put onto the application form and mumming when they ask you , then they declare you as muslim.

11:48 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I been hearing dat if a muslim convert another person into muslim...will get rm 3000...iszit this is the reason the elder brother convert his father into muslim??

7:30 PM GMT+8  

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