Sunday, January 06, 2008

Bishop Warns Of ''No-Go'' Zones For Non-Muslims In Britain

Islamic extremists have created ''no-go'' areas across Britain where it is dangerous for non-Muslims to enter, one of the Church of England's most senior bishops warned today.

The Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester and the Church's only Asian bishop, said people of a different race or faith face physical attack if they live or work in communities dominated by a strict Muslim ideology.

The bishop, born in Pakistan, warned that attempts were being made to give Britain an increasingly Islamic character by introducing the call to prayer and wider use of 'sharia' law, a legal system based on the Quran.

He wrote in the Telegraph that it was becoming increasingly difficult for Christianity to be the nation's public religion in a multifaith, multicultural society.

Bishop Nazir-Ali, whose father converted from Islam to Catholicism, argued that multiculturalism has led to deep divisions in the society.

Ibrahim Mogra of the Muslim Council of Britain criticised the bishop, saying, ''It's irresponsible for a man of his position to make these comments. He should accept that Britain is a multicultural society in which we are free to follow our religion at the same time as being extremely proud to be British. We wouldn't allow 'no-go' areas to happen. I smell extreme intolerance when people criticise multiculturalism.''

***** It's quite surprising that a senior British bishop of the Church of England and an Asian one at that, should hold such strong views against multiculturalism. In the British context perhaps it has led to divisions in society but that is an issue which should be dealt with 'holistically' and not highlighted as an example of Muslim extremism or used as a pretext to berate proponents of a multicultural society.

One would tend to agree with Mr Ibrahim Mogra that the Bishop's diatribe smells of extreme intolerance. Multiculturalism is the only way to go in an increasingly borderless world.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Bishop has hit the nail on the head! He has read islamic history!

What multiculti? Multiculturalism can only work when the people have some shared bonds and a shared outlook on life. Multiculturalism will pit various groups against each other, creating a pattern of democratic Balkanization once the minority groups become large enough. When natives are increasingly under the hammer of political correctness, mass immigration of parasites who feed off the labour of the natives, when their politicians betray them at every turn, it's Civil War. Britain will soon be engulfed in a Civil War.

Malaysia was supposed to practise Malaysian Malaysia. What happened?
It's Malay Malaysia. And we are supposedly to be a multiculti, etc nation, no?

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Blogger kittykat46 said...

Err..the Bishop may have been too blunt with his words. Areas dangerous for non-Muslims to enter is probably untrue, unless one was being deliberately provocative.
But it is true that within parts of the Muslim community in Britain, there is strong intolerance for more liberal views and heavy pressure for people to conform to strict ideology. A right wing group termed it Londonistan.

Its the same fundamentalist ideology which is driving the Muslim community in Bolehland.

11:51 AM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kittykat46, go to the blog Lionheart and you'll get the true picture of what's happening in Britain. It was the secular's hatred of western civilisation and their own christianity, a perverse guilt over Britain's colonisation that opened the doors to islamic terrorists (Abu Hamza who fled Egypt after a failed assassination attempt on Hosein Mubarak) Omar Bakri who spewed jihad and death to the Brits for 7 years in his Finsbury mosque built by Saudi Arabia at the behest of Prince Charles, and of course the very ugly parasite Anjum Choudhury who has nothing to do but echo the hatred of Britain's radical muslims while the Labour Govt under Blair and now Brown are paralysed with regard to
Hizb ut-Tahrir (Party of Liberation). Banned in Germany for anti-Semitism and in much of the Middle East and Central Asia for advocating the replacement of existing governments with an Islamic caliphate, the British govt under Brown prefers to sink deeper into snivelling dhimmitude rather than take pride in being British. Oh, MI5 is infiltrated with radical islamists and there's not a whit the govt can do .
Any wonder why Brits migrate to Oz and Canada?

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, has spoken out where many others in Britain are handcuffed by Political Correctness (PC).
What he said is hard to swallow, but nevertheless essentially true.
The best solution for all the religious turmoil is mutual respect, moderation, the separation of 'church and state', tolerance and humility.
In the UK, as elsewhere there are many who could be called as 'the lunatic fringe', all these extremists must be weeded out and neutralised. The illegals immigrants deported, the criminals incarcerated and the others punished in an effective manner.
Should all this fail, then ban institutionalised religion altogether, if this is the only solution it must be done.
Religion has been the cause of many wars and conflicts, the Buddhist faith is perhaps the only one that has never advocated violence.
Why are we all not Buddhist?
Are there are any 'no go zones' in Malaysia

6:32 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comments
Stop dismembering sovereign European states in order to create Muslim ones!
Hands off Kosovo!
Soon you will face demands for Islamic Republic of Bradford and Jamahirya od Bethnal Green and see whether you like it.


Posted by Ben Stanley on January 7, 2008 6:01 PM
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I'm amazed at some of the responses against ALL Muslims, How are you any better then those asking for the Bishop to resign by categorising ALL Muslims as the 'one voice' demanding he resign? Perhaps those who work or even live close to Muslims should go and talk to them asking them their views instead of grouping them into one voice as saying they should ship out?!!

For those saying Islam is not a tolerant religion why don't you just look at how many other Religions are active in 'Muslim' countires?


Posted by H.Hussain on January 7, 2008 6:00 PM
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Along with the other atheists who have commented on this story, I stand full square with bishop.
Irrespective of any belief in a God we can have respect for the humanitarian value of the church. The relationship between church and state was settled hundreds of years ago, which is what defines this as a "Christian" country.
Newcomers may be tolerated today but they can't expect to rewrite history.
Posted by don on January 7, 2008 6:00 PM
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Bishop Nazir-Ali is speaking the truth. Islam wants to impose sharia law on everybody in this country and we do not want it. If ever Islam is allowed to dominate this country there will be persecution of Christians, Jews and people of all other faiths. Many countries that have Muslim majorities persecute all other religious minorities such as Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia.
Posted by Phil Lumley on January 7, 2008 5:58 PM
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Well done the Bishop of Rochester for daring to put your head above the parapet. You are spot on in what you say, & it should have been said long ago. Now perhaps the No Go areas can be dealt with.
And if the Muslims who live there don't like it they have the option of leaving the country which they so obviously despise.
It is obvious and has been for a long time that Islam & democracy are not comfortable bedfellows.

Posted by William on January 7, 2008 5:56 PM
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I totally agree with the Bishop. Whatever they may say, there is not the slightest doubt that there is an alien community growing up in our midst and that many muslims are hostile both to the nation and to the Christian faith I can only hope that the government will wake up in time.
Posted by Nigel Walker on January 7, 2008 5:54 PM
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The claims of the Rt Rev Michael Nazir that Islamic radicals had turned parts of Britain into "no-go" areas for non-Muslims and that fundamentalism had made some communities hostile to Christians and those from other faiths are fully justified.

Politicised Islam is determined to achieve worldwide dominance and brutalises non-Muslims in order to turn the West into an Islamic society. The evidence from Islamic heartlands is one of intolerance, harshness and repression.

Our Western Christian culture is diametrically opposed to Islam's incompatibility with international human rights and the non-negotiable freedom of speech and of the individual.

The governments' 'politically correct' support for Muslim development and failure to eradicate the terrorists is stoking widespread private resentment .
Posted by John R S Tait on January 7, 2008 5:52 PM
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No-Go Area's currently in Towns..Next it will be Cities, Whole Counties and the whole British Isle Next....STOP ISLAMFICATION IN EUROPE NOW! This is all part of the parcel of Jihad (personal struggle)Once they have flourished in numbers hence larger birth rates than any other race...they will take over.Whether it will be with force or killings, people will get converted..Read the Koran it clearly states there aims and goals.Islam is not a religion of Peace, look at other continents who had to engage with the wrath of Islam (Sikhs,Jews Buddhist,Hindus,christians)Persecuted at the highest torture level or accept Islam... You people are at War..Wake Up B4 its too late..Thank God for the USA! Amen
Posted by Infidel Inside on January 7, 2008 5:47 PM
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Whatever the pros and cons of this incident, it is only the latest portent of the turmoil and increasing likelihood of bloodshed which we are storing up for our children and grand-children. Non EU immigration should be stopped immediately.
Posted by Theo Nelson on January 7, 2008 5:46 PM
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If these racist Moslems want to live in an Islamic country, they can clear off to Somalia, Iran, or a similar 'Paradise of Islam'. If they want their own Islamic country, they can't have this one.
Posted by Mike Lee on January 7, 2008 5:43 PM
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Oil has given the Islamic world power for the first
time in 700 years, and they are using it. The land
that produces oil produces little else, whereas
Europe is a fertile land. Better land.

In the west, we are becoming more digitally
based, the land is becoming abstact. Borders and
histories irrelevant.

If you do not treasure your land, it will be taken
by someone who will.

Good luck!

Posted by Stephen on January 7, 2008 5:41 PM
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Of course the Bishop is right; there should be no doubting the pernicious influence of Muslim radicals and their hatred of the British way of life which is basically Christian. If they dislike our society to the extent that they are prepared to bomb and kill innocent civilians, why are they resident in the UK? Also, who do the so called moderate Islamic representatives think they are to call for the resignation of the Bishop? It begs the question, is it possible for a believer in Islam to be moderate if they believe they can persecute a Christian bishop in a Christian country merely for telling the truth?
Posted by DaveH on January 7, 2008 5:38 PM
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To Maqsood Ahmad 4-23pm

The idea of any Islamic Cleric making any genuine effort to promote harmony is laughable. They believe that Islam is right and everyone else is wrong and therefore inferior. They believe the way to peace to convert everyone by either reason or the sword ( or gun) to accept their beliefs. I could go on, but my hatred of all bigots , of whatever religious persuasion is begining to show. The short answer is that Muslims seem short on tolerance and forget that while they have right to worship who and how they like in this country, that does mean that they have the right to force non muslims to submit to their self proclaimed superiority, and to try and create Micro Islamic States in the middle of the United Kingdom.
Posted by Chris M on January 7, 2008 5:35 PM
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I am a white non-religious person living with my Indian wife and mixed-race daughter in the centre of a majority Muslim area in Leicester. Ours is a very friendly and welcoming neighbourhood with fantastic race relations. On 11th September 2006 the local clergy and imams played a charity cricket match at Leicestershire Cricket Club.

I can't speak for other cities but I see no evidence of 'no-go' areas here in Leicester and I wonder how many of the people who agree with the Bishop have ANY genuine first hand experience of this problem. To me it looks like about 10% fact and 90% hysteria. People should base their opinions on their own experiences not on the froth stirred up by the media and 'Britain-gone-to-the-dogs' doom mongers.

Lets all stop pointing the finger of blame at each other and do our part to get on better. If Leicester can do it why not everywhere else?
Posted by Ben in Leicester on January 7, 2008 5:30 PM
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Having just returned from a two year stint in Saudi Arabia I can confidently say that Islam is in fact a culture of intolerance. I use the word culture because it far exceeds a religion in that it governs every aspect of life and dictates how one should behave, dress, eat, treat others (and animals). The notion of reciprocation of tolerance and understantding of anothers religion and way of life is merely a Western one. Put bluntly, Islam believes there is only one way of life, and that is to embrace Islam. Anything else is plain heresy.

In summary, I think Britain should stop sitting on the fence and start pushing back before we are all woken up by Dawn prayers every day of the week and have to remind our women folk to cover up before leaving the house.
Posted by Peter on January 7, 2008 5:29 PM
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The Islamofascisti and especially the "Muslim Council of Great Britain" (What? Who? We have our OWN elected councils), need to realise that we just don't care who they worship. It is entirely up to them. Just don't try and force their views and their beliefs on to the rest of us. We just don't care. Is that clear enough?
Posted by Peter Vile on January 7, 2008 5:25 PM
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It happens every time, when someone says some thinbg critical about Muslims, there is an immediate outcry from them demanding resignations to decapitition. We shouldn;t be asking for God's help. but the need for some policitions to show some courage.
Posted by Scottyu on January 7, 2008 5:22 PM
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The benefit to a society from Christianity is borne out by Britains history. Abolition of slavery, Education, Care of Vunerable, Toleration etc etc. Islam cant match that. Societies where Islam is promonenant today are a real eye opener. So Islam persecutes christians where it can eg Pakistan etc and elsewhere calls for christian leaders to resign. Why would anyone want to stay a muslim. But many muslims in our so called free country fear the consequences if they become christians. Michael Nazir-Ali has spoken with christain tolerance and grace but also he has spoken the truth. Islam has in response shown its intolerance. No wonder Jesus Christ said "I am THE Way". All Mulims should have complete feedom to choose for themselves a better way.
Posted by Gerald Hall on January 7, 2008 5:22 PM
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I am increasingly irritated by those of foreign extraction who try to force their opinions and wills on the rest of us. If they do not like what is here, no one will prevent them from leaving and living in a country more conducive to their ideas. I am incensed that the indigenous population was never consulted regarding the level of immigration that has taken place over the years and the change this is making to our way of life and culture. If we complain we are accused, by our own government, of being racist. We are reaping the reward of multiculturalism and the dismal failure of our spineless and overpaid politicians to govern us properlty. The name of Enoch Powell keeps coming back to me.


Posted by Ted Bottle on January 7, 2008 5:21 PM
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If the Bishop really is to be reported to the police, then it will be very interesting to see how the police react. After all, they have shown extraordinary tolerance towards muslems. There is even a Muslem Police Force, as there is a Black Police Force - yet an English Police Force would never be tolerated!
We are becoming strangers in our own country.
David Davis of the Tories is to be praised for his reaction to the Bishop's comments. What a shame that he didn't win the leadership race in the Conservative party!
And what of Rowan Williams? Which side will he take? Can't we start a campaign to put an actual Christian in charge of the Church of England, rather than this liberal wet?
No wonder the BNP is gaining ground in so many areas!
What this country needs is for the military to be in charge for about 5 years. Put some order back into this country! It nearly happened in the 1970s, when Mountbatten had a plan to remove Wilson and his government. Who's to say a similar move is not being planned now, especially with Brown planning to hand our country to the Germans?

Posted by BorisP on January 7, 2008 5:19 PM
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I fully support the Bishop of Rochester who has expressed the position very clearly and it is timely to have done so. It is important that in our desire to be welcoming and tolerant to people who come to our shores, we do not lose sight of the need to sustain our own culture and traditions. We have been far too accommodating and that has created a dependency culture amongst immigrants. eg Providing translaters instead of funding English lessons, which would free people to achieve so much more.
In Muslim countries there is very little, if any, tolerance towards Christians in being able to practice their faith.
There appears to be a number of hard-core Muslims who are intent on forcing us to accept them but they are not prepared to accept the hospitality of this country.
It is about time our leaders not only from our religious communities but also our politicians to use simply common sense, which they seem to be bereft off.
My support and prayers are for Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali. God bless you Sir.

Posted by Jenny Wride on January 7, 2008 5:17 PM
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How can anyone liken church bells to an Islamic call to prayer? Church bells do not proclaim the supremacy of any one god, as does the muezzin (caller). They are not amplified by a tinny loudspeaker. They are not in a foreign language but in the universal language of music. They do not bark out orders. They do not strike up every few hours, day in, day out. They've been here for centuries. And while some may find them irritating, they don't get right up people's noses.
Posted by PaulD on January 7, 2008 5:10 PM
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Bishop Nazir Ali is absolutely right to say what he did, and the response is absolutely predictable. Whenever any public figure speaks out the unpalatable truth, there are call for resignations, mostly from those who have done less than they should to prevent the situation in discussion from developing. So senior Muslims should have spoken out themselves on this situation ages ago.
Posted by Chris Dann on January 7, 2008 5:09 PM
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Bishop Nazir-Ali is absolutely right. He has my full support. The UK is a Christian country and ALL parts of it should remain so, with there being NO "no-go" areas for whatever reason. If it was unacceptable to have no-go areas in N Ireland in the case of the IRA then it is certainly unacceptable on the basis of other religions too. It would be nice if the Government would (a) enter the real world (b) shoulder its responsibilities and (c) do something effective to protect our hard won heritage which our people have fought to protect and continue to die for....
Posted by Ian on January 7, 2008 5:07 PM
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Just imagine if some Muslim cleric had stood up and said that Muslims were living of fear of going into some areas. There would be howls from the left of racism and promises that such action would not be tolerated. There would then be a witch hunt to find culprits.

What do we get when the boot is on the other foot? Calls for resignations of the Bishop, stupid politicians saying it is all untrue, the BBC finding as many idiots as they can to deny the remarks without even bothering to investigate. This is racist prejudice pure and simple and is quite, quite disgraceful that we should be hounded this way in our own country.

And yes I have both heard of examples and experienced it.
Posted by Miranda on January 7, 2008 5:07 PM
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Proof if you need it that Islam isnt and never has been a forgiving, peacefull or tollerant Cult
Posted by Andrew W on January 7, 2008 5:06 PM
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They would, wouldn't they?
According to their faith killing him, an apostate, would be commendable.

Posted by Ben Stanley on January 7, 2008 5:05 PM
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What arrogance and utter nonsense for those of an imported religion to call for one of the bishops of the state church of our national faith, on which our laws and culture have been based,to resign! To put it in perspective, can you imagine a similar situation where a Christian in somewhere like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Indonesia calls for the resignation of a Muslim leader or cleric? It's unthinkable!
When one observes the intolerance, and persecution, shown to Christians by some in certain Muslim countries there is good reason to be concerned lest such a situation might arise here at some future point in time.
The Bishop is absolutely right to express concern and open a discussion.



Posted by Ian on January 7, 2008 5:05 PM
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Why is it that every time someone with the courage to speak out against problems some faith, race and culture division causes in this country or to speak out for Christ/Christianity/just the ordinary man in the street, they are immediately vilified by muslim groups. You live in any islamic country as a Christian and you will find it is very difficult, so when in Rome! Well done to Bishop Michael we need more clergy to speak out, after all this is and always should be a predominantly Christian country. Might I also suggest that William Hague move out of his comfort zone and take a trip to see just what people who live in 'no go' areas have to put up with.
Posted by CS on January 7, 2008 5:04 PM
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to Maqsood Ahmad 4-23pm
You must be having a laugh.
" Bringing people from different faiths together "
"promote better understanding between people of different faiths "
Since when did the Muslim faith promote tolerance of other faiths in the UK?

Posted by mike williams in Bangkok on January 7, 2008 5:04 PM
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The Bishop is correction to possible problems. The Muslim call for him to resign illustrates the 'no go' in respect of the freedom of speech.
Posted by David Taylor on January 7, 2008 5:02 PM
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To call for the bishop's resignation is yet another indication of how intolerant Muslims are. This only confirms that the bishop is right. Quotes have been made that Muslims intend to dominate Britain and there seems to be much evidence that this is correct. There is violence, intimidation and, if they are thwarted in their goal, they cry out that they are being persecuted.They are increasing exponentially in numbers. It is a slow steady, subtle pressure (but less slow and subtle than it used to be) Many people are now seeing this but what can be done about it? We need to wake up and see how G.B. is changing. Do we want to preserve our christian heritage? as it is slipping from under our feet. Not everyone sees the relevance of christian faith but most parents want their children to grow up learning christian standards of behaviour. The hidden agenda here, is not the only threat to this but it is a major one. There are few countries in the world that are Musim dominated and not oppressed.Why should we have a call to prayer dominating a city like Oxford? This goes right against christian teaching which promotes going into a room and shutting the door and praying in secret, as a mark of sincerity. it is all part of trying to make gradual but definate changes in the public domain.Does real religion need to be public? Do we want this? The bishop is right.
Posted by Dr J. T. Dorset. on January 7, 2008 4:55 PM
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This man needs a medal, and he needs to become Archbishop of Canterbury (even though I'm now an atheist)

Muslims need to shut up and/or get out of Britain, and do it yesterday.

"Islam is the most potent retrograde force that civilization faces today" - Winston Churchill.
Posted by jack Lee on January 7, 2008 4:51 PM
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Perhaps the only think one should be intolerant of is intolerance. Currently we are supposed to be tolerant of intolerance.
Posted by Stephen Bush on January 7, 2008 4:51 PM
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Of course he is right. Anyone who thinks any differently should spend some time in Bradford. This phenomena has been evident there for all to see and has been for many years and it is becoming more prenounced. Worrying isn't it.
Posted by D Fell on January 7, 2008 4:49 PM
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While I agree that the situation the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali is describing is becoming dire it is kind of depressing to note that all the Christians left in England have likely posted here by now. It seems a bit late in the game to be jumping on the defend the faith bandwagon when England turned their back on said faith decades ago.
Posted by Boyd on January 7, 2008 4:48 PM
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We christians in Britain, do not seem to have any problems in our relationship with any other religion or race, apart from, the islamic faith.

We don`t have christian suicide bombers blowing up trains & buses, killing innocent muslims.

We don`t have inter-religious fueds that results in Christians blowing up Christians by the tens of thousands.

The Bishop was perfectly correct in his appraisal of the Islamic situation in Britain, whan are our politicians going to actually stand up & be counted in this matter.... i do not under any circumstances want people in MY country who don`t want to live in it, unless they can change it to there country.
Posted by fred corbett on January 7, 2008 4:48 PM
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The blue touch paper is already lit and hundreds of thousands emmigrating to a safe distance overseas every year.
UK RIP.
Posted by mike mines on January 7, 2008 4:48 PM
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There's little more depressing to decent, rational agnostics than religious people being intolerant about other religious people being intolerant about them. Why don't they all just take themselves up to their respective Gods (wihout killing and taking any other innocent souls with them) and leave the rest of us to 'peace on Earth'?
Posted by Ted Harvey on January 7, 2008 4:39 PM
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A voice crying in the wilderness, rarely does a prominent person in religion or politics dare speak the truth. Our politicians for years have placed "political correctness" way above the safety & security of the indigenous British people, they pander to the evils of Islam, no votes from myself for Clegg or Hague, one only hopes that their views are not those of their respective parties., a vain hope.
Posted by Terry Jones on January 7, 2008 4:36 PM
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Congratulation H. Hussain for a well reasoned comment. I agree with your observations particularly as they relate to woman. This is a cultural issue, and should be addressed as such.
Posted by Larry, Stratford on January 7, 2008 4:35 PM
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One can only wonder why Muslims never call for
Islamic clerics who condone violence, oppression of
women, etc. to resign their posts.
Posted by Danielle McKane (San Jose, CA, USA) on January 7, 2008 4:30 PM
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The Qur'an (5:51) says: "Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends". See:

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It also says (98:6): "Those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings". See:

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Muslims believe that the Qur'an is the immutable word of Allah and is not therefore open to interpretation. Muslims must follow his instructions. If they disobey him they are not Muslims. Clearly, if Allah is God then he cannot be wrong.

Conversely, if Allah is wrong then he is not God. If the Qur'an is wrong on these and other intolerant verses then how do we know that any of it can be believed? If none of it can be believed then it is a big lie and 1.3 billion people have been brainwashed.

There are many other verses in the Qur'an which preach violence and subjugation. e.g. 9:5 and 4:24.

See:

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Posted by Roger on January 7, 2008 4:27 PM
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The Bishop Nasir Ali comments are not justified. Dissapointed in his commnets he should be working towards briging people from different faiths together not making statements that incite more tension. He seems to be jumping on the "lets bash muslims" bandwaggon. He should do the decent thing and resign because he has not fullfiled his responsabilities as a Bishop which i understand are to promote better understaning between people of different faiths.
Posted by Maqsood Ahmad on January 7, 2008 4:23 PM
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Gordon Brown take note. Read the comments. No they are not extremists. These are the decent people of Britain who will neither forgive or forget you for selling their country.

A UK passports should be something which is hard won and treasured. Not something that is thrown away.

The generation before you fought and died to save this nation. Now you throw it away with both hands to our sworn enemies.


Posted by joe on January 7, 2008 4:21 PM
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Of course the good Bishop is absolutely correct. Anybody with two eyes and ears can see that. Perhaps Messrs Hague and Clegg should get out and about a bit more, instead of hiding behing the curtains of the Truth Killer Political Correctness. I am delighted to see that the normal British people are saying it as it is in these comments. However, unless they start electing real people, with real courage, vision and Churchillian spirit, into power, their land is doomed to return to a Middle Ages legal and political system and way of life within a few generations. What really amazes me is that those Asians who profess to hate and despise the British way of life install themselves in Britain and use its benefits and the goodwill of the British people for their own ends - and raise their children there. Surely they would be far happier and more at home if they returned to whence they came? Or maybe not .......!
Posted by Eamonn, Dublin on January 7, 2008 4:17 PM
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3:01 PM GMT+8  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a Christian country, and all these outsiders should realise this. If they don't like it they should leave.
Posted by Geoff Stringer on January 7, 2008 4:08 PM
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The Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali is correct. It is time that Britsh political parties woke up to the problems to be faced now and in the future. It is also time that they treated white, British Christians with the the same consideration given to those persons who come to this country, particularly members of the Islamic faith. It seems that we shouldn't offend them but they can offend anybody they wish.

If they don't like it here there are numerous Islamic states that they can go to. But, they never want to leave our shores. Why is that, given that living with infidfels is such an offence to their whole being.

Posted by Mel Read on January 7, 2008 4:07 PM
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Bishop Nazir-Ali should be allowed the right of free speech; he did not just speak about Muslims but about secularism too: "secularism has its own agenda", he said, "and it is certainly not neutral."
Aggressive atheism means that the existence of organisations like the YMCA are being attacked: the Lancashire Humanists are currently complaining to Wyre Borough Council because Fylde Coast YMCA were awarded the leisure contract back in 2006. No complaints about the leisure facilities themselves have been made, but Chairman Ian Scott is claiming he cannot visit a gym or swimming pool operated by those with Christian beliefs!
This is the kind of politically correct madness that needs opposing; the Humanists reserve the right to state clearly what they believe in (ie a non belief) whilst demanding that Christian organizations should rebrand themselves. The article was printed in the Blackpool Gazette and one comment reads "The Y and M are clearly inappropiate and the C is clearly in conflict with its "all welcome" objective, unless it has some ulterior motive."

The Bishop was therefore right to speak out on this issue and defend the public face of Christianity.
Posted by Sally Wainman on January 7, 2008 4:03 PM
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Thank goodness for the Rev.Nazir-Ali and the Archbishop of York.
Posted by David Gudgeon on January 7, 2008 3:27 PM
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The Bishop of Rochester is right but no matter how strongly a nation feels, unless politicians wake up, nothing will ever be done to improve the situation.
Posted by Paul on January 7, 2008 3:00 PM
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""hold on...
If you want all the asians out isnt the Bishop one of them......
Well done Telegraqph for this racist blog!!
Posted by Anonymous on January 7, 2008 2:26 PM""

Please identify the comment which suggests the Telegraph wants all "Asians out".
Or perhaps you would like to make an apology instead? Or are you perhaps just a hysterical fool?

Posted by Ben Moss on January 7, 2008 2:56 PM
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To T Leung
Don't get too disheartened my friend, it never used to be like this, this is the result of 10 years of loony leftie, politically correct insanity, which is making the UK a laughing stock in the rest of the world.
Maybe one day sanity will return to the UK and I and lots of others like me might return to help build a better future free from state intervention.
Posted by mike williams in Bangkok on January 7, 2008 2:54 PM
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I call for the resignation of Inayat Bunglawala!
I call for the resignation of Mohammed Shafiq!
Both are bigoted, self-righteous and antagonistic - and both with no justification for their demands.

I call for the promotion of Shaista Gohir to the leadershio of the so called Muslim Council of Great Britain - whatever that is.

.. and as for Bishop, congratulations on speaking up.
Posted by John on January 7, 2008 2:52 PM
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The following has been cut and pasted directly from the BBC website:

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"Oldham's racial tension 'nothing new'
Racial graffiti in Oldham spotlights local tensions

Following the brutal racial attack on pensioner Walter Chamberlain, Oldham Chronicle editor Jim Williams takes a closer look at a problem he says has been developing locally for years.
The racial tensions which led to the attack on 76-year-old World War II veteran Walter Chamberlain in Oldham this week have been simmering for three or four years.

With significant Pakistani and Bangladeshi populations, living in similar but separate run down and depressing inner-city enclaves, the mixed Oldham community has been chafing at its edges for some time.

Last year more than 600 racist incidents were logged by Oldham police and in 60% of them the victims were white.


Jim Williams: No justification for attacks

More than 180 of the racial incidents were violent and the vast majority of those were attacks by Asian youths - usually in gangs of anything from six to 20 - on lone white males".

Would Mr Clegg and Mr Hague be so good as to appologise to the Good Bishop (and the public they are sworn to serve) now....?

Posted by Ben Moss on January 7, 2008 2:50 PM
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The bishops comments are entirely justified. Britian is sleepwalking into disaster with no politician willing to state the truth. To Muslims tolerance is a one way system. There is no free speech in in a muslim country. I work in one. If I insulted Islam, I'd be on the next plane home. This PC nonsense has got us here, a situation which most people find abhorrent. It's time this situation was rectified.
We tolerate a dark ages system of belief on our own dorstep and are not allowed to criticise it. How did we get here? how can we get out of it?

Posted by grumpy oldman on January 7, 2008 2:49 PM
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I agree with some of the comments posted here. Moslems are trying to create stong hold in every part of the world. I can quote what I have seen n various parts of India. As they create a strong hold it becomes a small pakistan and extrimism develops there (that is a fact, even if people deny it). Even the so called Moderate Moslems even doesn't voice concern, they support extermism inside their heart it seems. You find very few outspoken moslems, may be because of fear from sidelining and eventual termination from the faith. In those strong holds they employ moslems laws as well like, won't let any other person to open a food store or a restaurent in their strong hold during Ramzan, try to side line people of other faiths, try to employ initmidatory tactics for not buying up property in that location, issuing fatwas for boycotting stores of non moslems, trying to buy property at a higher cost than normal which encourage people to sell etc. I've seen it during my stay and travel in India. I had to starve for a day during Ramzan, just cos they don't allow any one to sell food till evening and its a fact. I felt like I'm in Saudi Arabia that day. If this happen in a democratic country like India, you can find that happening soon here in UK. Better stem it when you can.
Posted by Jay on January 7, 2008 2:48 PM
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Having read the countless responses, let me be on of the few MUSLIM to respond to the comments made;

The Bishop was RIGHT in what he has stated, I can agree to that but not profess that I have seen these areas, although do believe they exist. I can also say the same would be true for Muslims to go into non-Muslims areas; I have seen and experienced this myself.

What the Bishop has done is highlighted this one religion as the root cause and that to me has only created more aggravation - there's a smarter way of making this known and the way it was done was not, in my view the best approach.

And as far as those that will say this is the majority view, why is it that you do not use the democratic voting/local MP's to voice your concerns, after all isn't that why the MP's are where they are to listen and push for what you in your very areas need?? Running away from the problem, like some of you who have moved or looking to move is simply your failing on ignoring the problem and doing nothing about it.

To those that comment about 90% of Muslims that are ok supporting the 10% extremist - I disagree with this statement and do not support any extremists, far from it.

At times I think the British Muslim Council need to do more, but then this was a group put together by the government and not voted in by the 'Muslims'. I have never met them, probably never will and yet they speak of what I know/my view - supposedly. And yes they do need to do more to root out the Islamic extremists, who appear to be 'getting away' with it – but they need the support and the right attitude to do this.

To those who comment about knowing Islam, if you truly did i.e. your interpretation of the religion and not someone else’s then you would know it is a very tolerant religion – there are plenty of Muslims that are living proof of the tolerance.

To those who say an influx of immigrants is causing this, I disagree, it’s the integration of the immigrants which is and that integration is not for them to become the faith of the UK but be fitting into the life here. But then this raises a very BIG question, over the years I understand there has been a decline in people following religion (whatever the faith) and a more drinking and fornicating culture prevalent, where marriage and kids are seen as burdens – so to those saying Muslims are having kids, yes you are right but that is no reason to hate muslims.

Everyone is entitled to free speech, but it should be made across all faiths not directed at one particular one, unless of course it is only related to that faith, which the Bishops comments are not!

As for the forced Hijab and women being treated second to man, you are right this does happen (not so long ago it was true in British Society for women being treated second to man and still is irrelevant of faith, just look at pay!). The next time you see a woman wearing the Hijab maybe ask her why she is – you maybe surprised to hear the response. I am all for Muslim women playing a greater part in society and this should be promoted by the Muslim Men, but unfortunately it is not – shame on them.

Society will only become one, when we actually use what we have to better the economy after all it was the influx of immigrants after the WWII that helped get this economy back on its feet, we need to ensure we do what is needed to bring back those days otherwise all this moaning and lack of understanding and working together will be an insult to all those that gave for what we have today.
Posted by H Hussain on January 7, 2008 2:47 PM
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The problem lies in some aspects of Muslim beliefs. If you believe you are Allah's chosen people, destined one day to rule the whole world, then you should never surrender any territory you gain and you must maintain every area of life which you have islamised. Unless there is resolute action (unlikely from our feeble politicians), Muslim ghettoes in Britain will keep growing, pressures will increase for more rights and privileges for Islam in the West, and the tendency will continue to deny rights and privileges to other religions in Muslim countries and localities. The worldwide picture is consistent.
Posted by David R. Jackson on January 7, 2008 2:39 PM
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Absolutely justified

Take away the problem of offending muslims and
kowtowing to their wishes, This is not a hate
crime but a statement of fact for parts of the UK
today.

UK Government, You need to address the mess
you have created by your total and unforgivable
ignorance regarding the nature of Islam and it's
aims. It will never integrate as others do, but will
always seek to dominate and control to it's own
advantage. If I, an ordinary citizen of the UK
know this, how come you do not?

At the next election my vote will go to the party
that steadfastly upholds OUR HERITAGE and OUR
VALUES in the face of ever increasing attempts
by muslims to push their Islamic influence into
all spheres of British life.
Posted by Kevin Raddy on January 7, 2008 2:37 PM
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Hague must resign.
Posted by david on January 7, 2008 2:35 PM
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This government has spent 10years Balkanising us, they seem to be in denial and so does W. Hague.
When a Tory says somthing like this it steers peoples vote further to the right.Surely Muslims would be happier in a Muslim ruled country.
Posted by Gareth on January 7, 2008 2:35 PM
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The Bishop of Rochester is right. This is confirmed by the arrogant response of some muslims calling for his resignation; they do not understand the principle of free speech - never having experienced it where they come from. How can you take a religion seriously where a martyr goes into the arms of 72 virgins? Don't virgins have rights too?
Posted by Jonathan Ward on January 7, 2008 2:31 PM
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The Muslim reaction to the Bishop's comments is typical of their reaction to any criticism of their cult. Instead of addressing the actual problems they attack those who draw attention to them.

By the way, Islam is indeed a cult because the penalty for leaving Islam - as decreed by its last prophet - is death. See:

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Is this the sort of belief system we want in the UK? There are plenty of Islamic countries in the world where Muslims can practise their 7th century desert cult so why do they insist of bringing its malevolent teachings to the West?

Posted by Roger on January 7, 2008 2:26 PM
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hold on...
If you want all the asians out isnt the Bishop one of them......
Well done Telegraqph for this racist blog!!
Posted by Anonymous on January 7, 2008 2:26 PM
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I trust the politicians are reading the overwhelming accepted view of the Bishop Nazir.He absolutly correct.
Once again the peacelove muslims have shown theyr true intollerant colours
Posted by nostradamus on January 7, 2008 2:22 PM
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It won't get any better for us until the extreme islamists start to kill non-muslims (for whatever reason they choose).
When that happens, the authorities will start to take proper effective action - it won't be pleasant for any of us, but it will help to persuade these depraved bandits that the world (or at least, this country) was not made for them to colonise, and that at last we have determined to fight back.
Let's have an end to the claim that Islam is a peaceful religion - it isn't. It began with armed invasions, and has continued ever since as a scourge and a menace to other civilisations.
We are beginning to FEEL that the only Moslems that won't harm us are dead ones. If that feeling turns to conviction, life in this land will grow more exciting but much less healthy.
Posted by Priscus on January 7, 2008 2:20 PM
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I'm sorry for muslims, but this is christain soceity, come to our country, we welcome you, work earn money, practice your traditions and beliefs, but allow us to enjoy ours,i'm sick and tired of earing these so called do gooders removing our traditions which in the long run will alienate more people as we see muslems enjoying there's, while we have do ours in hiding. stop it
Posted by DAVE on January 7, 2008 2:19 PM
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We are far to tolerant in this country, if the Muslims don’t want to integrate they should go to a Muslim country.

Posted by Peter Smith on January 7, 2008 2:17 PM
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So, as usual, one is not allowed to critise Muslims... Why am I not surprised?
In my mind, one problem is that we still treat Islam just as a religion when it is clearly a political movement as well, because they still identify Religious leaders as political leaders.( Why else do they seek to be able to impose Sharia Law? ) Critisism of a persons politics is clearly allowed, but Islam can hide behind it's veneer of religion. There are many commentators that compare the politics of Islam with those of a Facist state , and if we had a group of Neo Nazis setting up no go areas, ruled by their own 'laws' there would soon be uproar... but they are a 'Religous' group, and therefore any critism must be branded as prejudice!
I am sorry , but there are areas of Britain where a non Muslim fears to tread, just as there are areas where any non belonging ( i.e. non drug using/ non gang member/ non gun carrying ) individual would also be wise to avoid!
It is an uncomfortable truth. The Muslim Council of Great Britain might not like the truth any more than the Politicaly Correct Quangos, but saying that a situation does not exist or that it should not be talked about does not change the facts.
Posted by CHRIS MEADOWCROFT on January 7, 2008 2:17 PM
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The Muslim council spokesman said that they welcome free expression of ALL faiths. How many church bells peel out in Muslim countrie? How many Christians are allowed to worship in Islamic countries?
You will find the answers in Open Door or Aid to the Church in Need publications.
Posted by J HUTCHINGS on January 7, 2008 2:15 PM
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I believe it was Wellington who said: “Just because you were born in a barn, it doses not make you a horse.” Very clearly this is the case with Muslims, as they have not conformed to the English way of life in dress, philosophy of freedom, or acceptance of their host countries grace in allowing them to gain entry in the first place, regardless of how long they have lived there. They continue to live as though they were still back in their mother country, so what is the point of them living in the UK at all if their wish is to follow a medieval doctrine that is alien to their host country? But is it allowed? Yes it is, because of the fair play of the system, but a system which is now out of control because of the peculiar behaviour of Blair and Brown. What has the country gained by allowing them in? Endless fighting and harassment from them for one thing or another, demonstrations if something is denied them, people murdered on the Tube by the insane radicals within their corrupt Mosques, and still, they are unhappy. But when they then demand the resignation of a Bishop who dares to speak out against their intimidating behaviour, then lines must be drawn in the sand and an explanation given from them for such crassness. It is important to email Mr. Brown on his website and relay your thoughts to him, just as you did by writing to the Telegraph. There IS strength in numbers, and I believe these are numbers he cannot ignore. As for the Bishop of Canterbury, Dr. Williams: He could take lessons on growing a spine from the Bishop of Rochester, the Rt. Rev Michael Nazir-Ali. On no account must this man be forced to hand in his resignation, as that would simply be a ploy to appease the rabble who demands it.
Posted by Maura Collins. on January 7, 2008 2:15 PM
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Ajmal Masroor may puff and roar
He's just a foolish islamic bore
who should go and live in the middle east
and leave the wonderful West in peace

He doesn't believe in freedom of speech
hangs on in this country like a leech
so when he's gone we can shut the gate
forever against his intolerant hate!
Posted by Teddy Bear on January 7, 2008 2:09 PM
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The bishop should be commended for speaking the truth - not penalized by an unholy alliance of militant Islamists and politically correct Secularists for doing the same.
Posted by Mark Roberts on January 7, 2008 2:09 PM
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In a word: yes!
Posted by Robert Booth on January 7, 2008 2:07 PM
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I would like to see resignation's from members of the Muslim Council Of Britain (Islamtain In 20 Years) and Iman's all over this country for preaching hate towards all non-believers........ VOTE Yes if you agree
Posted by A Human Being on January 7, 2008 2:06 PM
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The short sharp answer is, if you don't like what Christianity means, if you don't like the British way of life and free speech and fairness and equality, go somewhere where your religion is paramount and where homosexuals and women are stoned to death, where music is banned and where life is generally ruled by fear and tyranny, but..don't, just don't try and import it here.
Posted by Jack Bloxam on January 7, 2008 2:04 PM
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Comments so far (William Hague, Nick Clegg etc) have sought to shut down the Bishop rather than discussing his worries. Is no one going to champion free speach in this area? The Bishop of Rochester is not a fanatic but a sane man articulting a view. Lets please start speaking honestly and without fear.
Posted by Geoff Walker on January 7, 2008 2:02 PM
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This is a disgrace and an outrage!

The British government has waged WAR against and has killed Islamic radicals, and yet the people of Britain are not even allowed to suggest Islamic radicals are stopping us from going certain places?

What has the world come to?

Everyone knows that there are Muslim areas that are no-go to non-Muslims. This is a fact, just as there are some areas in Britain where a black man wouldn't dare walk for fear of racist attacks. To pretend that this sort of thing doesn't exist is going to lead to the destruction of this country -- which the government seems to want!

I personally call upon all Muslims to admit that there are radical fringes where Muslims are highly against non-Muslims. You should not be calling upon this man to resign!

I am disgusted that Britain has given itself away and forgotten its people and thrown away its faith in the name of 'multiculturalism'.
Posted by Chris on January 7, 2008 2:02 PM
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I have exactly same feeling what Mr Abhijeet G said. I'm Chinese living in Britain. Where William H. is living? He musta have his eyes shut or he's just try to be an axx kisser
Posted by T Leung on January 7, 2008 2:01 PM
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'Muslims call for...' - really? What this always means is that hard line, self appointed, 'leaders', have issued more of their polemical opinion 'in the name of Muslims' a convenient catch all phrase. Why not ask eg Sarai Khan, she's a Muslim? This technique of hard line ultra conservative Muslims using their co religionists as a hammer needs to be unmasked for what it is.
Mullocracy is the real problem - and these mullahs get so much very uncritical media time, wonderfully aided by the BBC.
Posted by Jane on January 7, 2008 2:01 PM
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Ironic isn't it. British troops are in Afghanistan killing Muslims in an attempt to establish a nation based on western democratic values. Meanwhile, back home, muslims are trying to eradicate western democratic values from Britain, and are doing a better job of it, with the supine compliance of NuLab and the left, than our boys in Kabul.
Posted by Susan Boetter on January 7, 2008 2:00 PM
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Bishop Nazir-Ali is both correct in what he says, and courageous to speak out. It needs to be said, but how sad we have to depend on clerics whose origins are in Africa or the Indian sub-continent because a "white" person would be howled out of court in our land of "free speech". The Muslim response is totally predictable, and brooks no criticism. Sad that Hague couldn't feel able to say what most of us have thought for years. But he is a politician, of course, and politicians as a breed seem unwilling to confront the creeping "takeover" that is at the heart of the Muslim campaign. What effrontery to demand the resignation of an Anglican Prelate , but maintain silence or nod agreement when a Muslim cleric preaches real hatred.


Posted by Anthony Atkinson on January 7, 2008 1:59 PM
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It takes courage for people like Michael Nazir Ali to voice what many others think. It seems that any negative comments made, regarding the lack of real integration of some Muslims, in many communities, are viewed as inflammatory and racist, when actually, they are simply raising the concerns of a great number of people. This is essentially, a Christian Country with a Christian heritage which should not be allowed to be subsumed by any other religion. However, most other religions follow their religious practices sensitively, whereas unfortunately,Islam appears to be taking over some communities and and this gives a sense of insecurity to the indigenous residents.
Posted by Jo Watson on January 7, 2008 1:59 PM
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The average Joe Bloggs is again being bullied by
intolerance.
Posted by JM on January 7, 2008 1:58 PM
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Muslim extremists tell us that Europe is their war zone, when are we and our government going to wake up to the fact that they have no interest in the UK as it is. They want the UK to be Muslim and all that that entails. I for one do not want to hear the wail of loudspeakers in a religious context in my country, neither do I want it taken over by people from an alien culture.
Posted by Mike of Cardiff on January 7, 2008 1:57 PM
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Religion is just codified information, it's people who are intolerant, not religions, let's not cloud the issue by bringing religion into it.

Those from similar racial backgrounds will noturally congregate and look upon 'outsiders' as a threat, it's human nature. Thankfully some people have a broad enough mind to see this, clearly those people aren't apoointed as heads of the Church.
Posted by Chris on January 7, 2008 1:57 PM
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A Christian leader with backbone.A man who understands the fears of his congregation. This is not a racist issue but one that threatens our way of life and liberty.
Posted by George on January 7, 2008 1:56 PM
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Those M.P,s and Bishops who oppose Bishop Nazir-Ali, should get out from behind their gated communities and chauffeured cars and get on a bus and go round the communities affected by the no-go areas and talk to the Christians to see what they have to say, before condemning Bishop Nazir-Ali. Ask how many schools did not have a Christian nativity play this year because of upsetting the Muslims in the areas affected by the mass invasion of the Islamic faiths. I support Bishop Nazir-Ali wholeheartedly.
Posted by Diana Barker on January 7, 2008 1:55 PM
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He is correct to say this but many years late.
Please google 'Gavin Hopley' and 'Walter Chamberlain' to see how long this situation has been going on.
Of course, a 'no go area' does not mean that every visit is met with an attack (verbal or physical). However, it means that such attacks do occur and create a climate of fear for people to enter the area.
Posted by Jessica on January 7, 2008 1:50 PM
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It is no surprise that Muslim leaders are mobilising to silence the Bishop for speaking the truth. There are now Muslim-dominated areas of Britain which many non-Muslims, in fear of intimidation or abuse, treat de facto as "no go" areas. I live near one. Some Muslims (including those who describe themselves as moderate) have for a number of years been quite explicit in their intention of creating such Muslim "strongholds" which can then be used as a peaceful means of asserting and increasing Muslim power in Britain. They have come a very long way in a short time.
Posted by S G on January 7, 2008 1:48 PM
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As a foreigner living in Great Britain, I can't believe the government is not helping, intersted or looking after her own native people and religion. In many occassions, the parliment make the Christian suffer... things like making Christmas to be called Winter festival, no cross is allowed to be displayed in a public sectors etc. We should all follow the original native...this is called respect. If you are not happy, then go somewhere else to make yourself happy. Well, by saying this, I'm so afraid of being killed already but hey we all only live once. At least I'm not death with silence.
Posted by T Leung on January 7, 2008 1:44 PM
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My wife and I are Indians who came to the UK because we love British culture and the British people. We are proud to sing God Save the Queen and attend every Remembrance Day service. We both have degrees in English Literature. We have never faced any racist behaviour during our time in the UK. On the contrary, in almost entirely white areas we have always been warmly welcomed. However, the only places we have felt unsafe and suffocated are the times we go to Muslim dominated areas to do our 'Indian' shopping. We would rather buy a house in a white-dominated area than in Bradford, Burnley or Eastham. Our Indian friends many of who are non-Muslim (Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or atheist) feel much the same. We have an Indian Hindu friend who was insulted and abused by Muslims in Cambridge because she was dressed in jeans and a blouse. They thought she was Muslim because of her skin colour. She happens to be Hindu!! I do hope that there will be other voices like Bishop Michael. Shame on Labour and William Hague! Shame on Calamity Clegg! Shame on the blind left-wing Brits!
Posted by Abhijeet G on January 7, 2008 1:44 PM
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It would a be an absolute disgrace if the Bishop was forced to resign over his views. We all must defend totally the right of freedom of speech which is constantly being undermined in this country. It is not a question even of whether he is right or wrong but it is absolutely the point that he has the right to say it.
Posted by D McNeillis on January 7, 2008 1:44 PM
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This is yet another example among many of the intolerance shown by Moslems to someone who is just speaking their mind.

Well said Bishop, don't give in to these bigots. You are just saying what many of us already know.
Posted by Roger Coasby on January 7, 2008 1:44 PM
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Whether or not the bishop is right,the reaction of Mohammed Shafiq and Ajmal Masroor is interesting. They say the bishop is 'promoting hatred' and call for 'serious action.' A number of Muslim clerics in this country have issued death threats for Jews, for gays or for British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is really promoting hatred.Did Messrs Shafiq and Masroor call for serious action then?
Posted by Ian on January 7, 2008 1:43 PM
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Thank goodness for the Bishop, who is only voicing what the majority of British people feel. He cannot be accused of racism. I love it when somebody speaks out, and then gets attacked. It shows that the original speaker is getting too near to the bone. We never should have allowed the building of mosques in our country. How far would we get building CofE Cathedrals in Iraq or Iran. Everyone who comes to Britain should be prepared to integrate fully, whilst still worshipping in their own way privately. Presumably people have come here to live the British way of life, If not, they should return to their country of origin. Eventually, unless people listen to the Bishop there will be a great deal of pain for all of the people in Britain.
Posted by sylvia evans on January 7, 2008 1:42 PM
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It has been a recognised fact that several areas in Birmingham have been no-go areas for white/non-muslims-particularly in the evening/after dark- for many years now
Posted by E. Preston on January 7, 2008 1:42 PM
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During 2007 whilst travelling to Leeds, I came off the motorway at the wrong junction, realising I was lost I went into a petrol station in what was obviously a "muslim" area of Leeds. The reaction to my prescence in this "muslim" area was quite intimidating and frightening to say the least.
These no-go areas do exist, I have been to one

Posted by Derek Bird on January 7, 2008 1:39 PM
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When there are 1400 churches in Saudi arabia and Church bells ring out each Sunday then I will believe in the tolerance of this peaceful religion.

Until then i say to you people here and the readers you now realise what this country is experiencing and it's time you did what I and many others have done.That is join the British national Party.

Only by getting members into parliament can the people have their voices heard and not have Brown feeling he knows what we want.

The next election will be the last you ever have choices.

Hazel Blears says ,"quite rightly we live in a multi-cultural nation".This means you WILL DO AS WE TELL YOU.

Celebrate the only faith that is tolerant and rid ourselves of those which interfere in our daily lives and that is a lot more than just Muslims.
Posted by David Albion on January 7, 2008 1:36 PM
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Islam,with its Sunni and Shi'ia division is essentially geographical/tribal in nature. It should be no surprise that this Muslim outlook prevails here in the U.K. where belief/conviction is the norm. Who ever heard of a Muslim being excommunicated even for the vilest crimes?
Posted by L. A. Thompson on January 7, 2008 1:35 PM
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I am on the electoral roll of the CofE and I can see what is happening. The bishop has enunciated the feelings of christians we have in this country.

Christians have been undermined by our political leaders, eg Tony Blair and Ruth Kelly who forced through gay adoption. William Hague is of similar ilk. I doubt whether he attends church every sunday.

The media ridicules christian worshipers. Simon Hefer denounces our Chritian heritage.

And now we have the muslims. They are in the ascendency. Any criticism, and they shout racist! It is no use looking to our politicians because they are a frightened people. Thank goodness we have a church leader with backbone.

As the late cardinal Hume once said, "If I was popular all the time, I wouldn't be doing my job". The same applies to Bishop Nazir-Ali.
Posted by Freddie on January 7, 2008 1:29 PM
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How very predictable, and how very sad that they could not have said either ,"No, no you're quite wrong, this is a terrible misunderstanding and we shall do everything we can within our communities to alleviate this impression" or possibly, "Good Gracious! We had not realized things had got so bad... iff that is what is happening we must do something to correct this".

Opportunity missed, Muslim Council of GB.
Posted by pm on January 7, 2008 1:29 PM
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Muslim intolerance of Christianity in the UK is nothing new, & the sooner it is recognised for what it is the better for all.As soon as someone (like the bishop) espouses a very valid point of view the muslim minority jump up & down! Why? because most muslims are intolerant of other religions, & wish to impose their religion on the world.If the bergers of Oxford give in to the request for the broadcasting over the loudspeakers to muslims, then the end is in sight for what is left of our country.Keep the bells ringing for COE.!!
Posted by michael owen on January 7, 2008 1:29 PM
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I am Chilean and Catholic and I have lived in England for the last 12 years. I have seen in these 12 years how England has degenerated in a mish mash of nothingness.

I have integrated in this country and I am now British, I know I will never be truly English as the real English people (Chile will always be in my heart), but I value, respect and honour the English people and their culture, this is their country after all!.
The Bishop comments are very pertinent and need to be debated, and these commnets not only goes to the muslim community, but about other communities too such as the polish, who are also playing apart, going to their own church rather than integrating to the english mass.

Conform to the british way of life or leave!
Posted by paula mendez on January 7, 2008 1:27 PM
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If one more Muslim murders my people in a terrorist attack i will begin to act extremely intolerant of their violent ideology..i am so full of anger with relation to islam and its disgust of British culture.
Posted by dave on January 7, 2008 1:27 PM
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Bishop Nazir-Ali is absolutely right and it is encouraging that so many of your readers agree with him. However, what is depressing is that none of our politicians have the guts to face up to what Islam wants to do to this country and the rest of Europe. You only have to look at what goes on in all the Muslim countries around the world and their backward and often medieval way of life. It seems to me that their religion and culture is based on hatred - if you don't do as the imams or religious police tell you your life is in danger. Who in their right mind would want to live like that! And why do our politicians pander to them? I just wish that all these vile people from the Muslim Council of Great Britain and all the rest of their evil organisations would go back where they came from and then they could practice their religion to their hearts' content and leave us in peace.

I am also sick to the back teeth of seeing hordes of women creeping around our streets swathed in black from head to foot. Mind you, I suppose it saves you worrying about what you're going to wear when you go out!
Posted by Rosemarie Lawani on January 7, 2008 1:25 PM
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Anyone recall the incidence when Home Secretary John Reid was told quite unequivocally to "get out", as he was not welcome in a Muslim area. This, in Britain.

I'm surprised that Willian Hague does not remember. But then he is a politician, and he will say anything to get the Muslim block vote.
Posted by DaveP on January 7, 2008 1:24 PM
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I am increasingly disillusioned with this country. Where are the people who are prepared to make a stand and point out the perfectly sensible point of view that if you don't like our society, perhaps you should go live somewhere else? I would not choose to live in a place where the morals, standards, traditions etc so inflamed my passions. And I certainly would not have the sheer humbug to demand that the country change to suit the demands of a foreign creed that, among many other failings, runs counter to established British values of democracy, tolerance and equal rights for all .
Peter Costello, an ex Australian minister called it just about right. Its not racist to say it, but if you can't abide our country, either change it through the ballot box and reasoned debate, or toddle off somewhere else. The only problem is that free speech and equal rights are not typically well received in sharia practicing states.
Posted by John James on January 7, 2008 1:23 PM
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Blimey, what a bunch of Nazis most of the contributors here are. Last time they were out in force screaming their racism at Africans over the Kenyan tragedy now it’s “we all hate the Muslims”. Well done The Telegraph!

Posted by Phil Ishmael on January 7, 2008 1:23 PM
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Multiculturalism was always a dead duck in the eyes of the common working people. Their intellectual superiors, the politicians and left wing plonkers would never listen. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Look out for bloody times ahead.
Posted by John on January 7, 2008 1:21 PM
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Why don't the Moslems do themselves a favour and go and live in Saudi Arabia, instead of living in a country where pigs and beer is sold. If they are really serious live in a Moslem country, Mecca is the best suggestion, and practise true Islam. Imagine going to Saudi Arabi and preaching Christainity - how far would one go. The democracy in Britain, something that hardly exists in the holy Islamic country Saudia Arabi,is something being misused. Can I go to an Islamic country and start selling sweet pork, but you can build as many Mosques as you want in Forestgate, East London.
Posted by steven on January 7, 2008 1:20 PM
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We face cultural annihilation in a matter of decades, and it has happened because the political elites deliberately allowed Muslims to enter the UK in such large numbers. This does not concern Hindus or other faiths. Muslims though, are required by the tenets of their religion to dominate and destroy any other culture. If we did not know this, then the fault lies with us, and not Islam or Muslims. Voices such as Churchill, Bertrand Russell, JohnWesley, have warned us of the dangerous ideology of Islam. Now Muslim demographics alone from within, is sufficient to spell doom for Britain as a cultural and historic nation. Muslims leaders will deny all this, but they have to, as Taqqiya in dealings with the Infidel is canonically sanctioned.

I see catastrophe ahead for Britain and Europe. It is not too late to stop all Muslim immigration, and then reverse the tide in a slow and humane manner. It is the only humane policy available. If we do not do this, then sadly, I see a gruesome civil war in the UK and Europe, as in Bosnia, Kosovo, Kashmir, Thailand, Phillipines etc etc.

I never in my life thought I would have to write this, but there it is.

Posted by DaveP on January 7, 2008 1:19 PM
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"But senior figures from the Church of England have backed the Bishop of Rochester's remarks" from above.

In an oppressive PC culture where even using the word ‘England’ feels like an act of defiance it is refreshing to hear the Church of England are supporting one of their own.

Posted by Max Bullingham on January 7, 2008 1:19 PM
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How predictable is the response from Muslim groups to the Bishop of Rochester's 'no-go areas' remarks. It is always with anger, demands and threats, rather than with rational argument. This would suggest that Muslim groups do not recognise the society in which they have chosen to live, i.e. a democracy. If it is true that fundamentalism has made some communities hostile to Christians, the Muslim community should be looking to their own and finding ways of ensuring that tolerance and acceptance is made a part of their religious teachings - as it is with Hinduism and other faiths. Most British people, who by nature are generally tolerant, are now deeply suspicious of Muslims because they have created their own bad press.

Muslims are their own worst enemies and ultimately will change nothing by spitting hatred and intolerance. I admire the Bishop for speaking out.
Posted by Lin Gillam on January 7, 2008 1:17 PM
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Mohammed Shafiq can't even be bothered with the simple courtesy of using Bishop Nazir-Ali's proper title. He is Bishop Nazir-Ali, not 'Mr'.The good Bishop has not promoted hatred towards Muslims nor would he, being Christian, promote hatred of any kind. In the case of Muslims neither would he need to. Detestation of Islam, and I do detest your religion Shafiq, is a natural and spontaneous HUMAN reaction to an ideology that subjugates humanity. Shafiq should ask himself why it is that Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians of all denominations, atheists, pagans etc. can all live together in harmony. They do and have done in this country for centuries/decades. Could it be because of the humanity that underpins their faith (or lack of it)? Why is it that Muslims are always the problem? As you sow, so shall you reap, Shafiq. Your religion preaches and condones hatred so don't feign indignation when it is returned. Who the hell are you to call for the Bishop's reignation?
Posted by S Roberts on January 7, 2008 1:17 PM
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Muslims only recognise free speech if it contains no criticism of Islam.Total intolerance is their only answer to this,the tolerance of the English is taken to be acquiesence and so until British politicians who seek only to appease leave their ivory towers and speak out for the values of the majority, things will not improve.It has taken the C.o.E years to speak up.The Bishop of Rochester is quite right to do so.Now it is the turn of the politicians to find their courage and do so.
Posted by roadrunner on January 7, 2008 1:16 PM
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Islam is an insidious religion that is very successfully taking advantage of the tolerant West to further its cause. The word 'Islamophobia', for example, is a word coined by Muslims and now widely accepted, especially by our politically correct politicians. The definition of the word is an extreme irrational or abnormal fear of Islam; and. being a phobia, is presumably a curable condition. Prepare yourselves for that compulsory psychiatric appointment.
Posted by epiphany on January 7, 2008 1:16 PM
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You cannot have a cohesive society where elements of it are allowed to ghetto-ise.
Multculturalism promotes ghettoisation because it views all cultures as equal, and asserts that no culture should dominate another. This fails with Islam in particular because its dominance is written into its own creed.

Under multiculturalism, Muslims are never forced to confront areas where their values conflict other traditions, particularly the dominant christian one. The end result is that many of them simply carry on as they would in their ancestral homelands, putting them at odds with everyone else and forcing them into ghettos with others from the same culture.

It's ironic that this is a result of the assault on our christian values by leftist secularists - the kind of peope who remove christ from christmas.

How can Muslims, who follow a proselytising faith, be expected to respect the place christianity and values rooted in it have in our history and culture when so many of our leaders, media and government do not?

It kind of sums things up that one of the quickest to criticise Bishop Ali was the self professed, centre left atheist Nick "Calamity" Clegg.
Posted by John Muir on January 7, 2008 1:15 PM
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Sounds like the whole of Britain is becoming a "No go area" when it comes to criticising islam.
Posted by Ben on January 7, 2008 1:14 PM
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I do NOT believe that the bishop should resign. However I DO think that many people share this idea that areas of certain towns and cities are "no-go" areas or at least feel that way. The government and political parties, along with the news media, do nothing to help the situation, when they refer to "communities". Every village / town / city in this country should be ONE community, regardless of gender / race / religion or any other difference that people might see in others.
True religion is epitomised only in the earthly life of Jesus Christ, who said: "Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you...". (The Bible, Matthew 5:44, NKJV.) That has to be the response too of everyone who claims to be a Christian, regardless of location, cultural / ethnic population or government.
That said, I would still like to see the government of this country allow and encourage equal voice for all, so that no single person or group can oppress or stifle the views of anyone.
Posted by Andrew Beacham on January 7, 2008 1:14 PM
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More lack of tolerance and "woe is me" attitude from the Muslims. The time has come for this country to stand up to these interlopers and put them in their place. This country has it's laws based on Christian principles and centuries of fighting for individual freedoms. If you don't like our laws or our Christian principles, go and live somewhere else. Your laws do not apply to me or to my country and if you don't like that fact then exercise your freedom and leave.
Posted by Luke Alexander on January 7, 2008 1:13 PM
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Well, the way the Bean and his cronies pander to self styled religious community leaders, I'm surprised that the cabinet haven't demanded that the good Bishop is sentenced to 200 lashes.
Posted by Doug on January 7, 2008 1:12 PM
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The Bishop should not be pilloried for simply telling the truth. Lord Denning of the Rolls was ostracized many years ago in similar circumstances. These men have not lied, nor even obfuscated. I hope the Telegraph has the same dignity.
Posted by coleman on January 7, 2008 1:12 PM
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Religious fanaticism, whether Muslim, Christian or from any other of the worlds faiths needs exposing and destroying.
The Bishop of Rochester has done nothing wrong in making his claims public. I am sure a man of such position wouldnt make such remarks without some proof.
Rather than calling for his reignation, Muslims should be asking themselves why such claims are being made, and what is it within thier religion that leads to outsiders seeing fanaticism.
Christian and Muslim beliefs are not so disimiliar that both Muslim and Christian people can not live side by side totally integrated. In fact I suspect many Christian clergy wish thier parishioners were as devoted in thier religious practices as thier Muslim neighbours.
But where ignorance and fanaticism lead to intolerance and hatred of other beliefs then the clergy, whether Muslim or Christian should be thankful of its exposure and set about eradicating the evil from within.


Posted by John Lumbard on January 7, 2008 1:11 PM
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Once again we have Muslims bleating about how offended they are. GET REAL! No one should resign if they spoke the truth.

There should be no no-go areas for anyone in this country.
Posted by Greg Russell on January 7, 2008 1:11 PM
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The Bishop is right, Christians in British society are being further and further marginalised and if our politicians just once got out of their ivory towers and lived had a social life and travelled in the areas the Bishop is talking about perhaps they would then see how British Christain society and British society as a whole is being undermined and destroyed, but for the politicians being frightened to stand up for us we would not have this situation.
Posted by Paul Groves on January 7, 2008 1:10 PM
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I have a friend who once lived in an area called Sparkbrook in Birmingham; if you are looking for evidence of no-go areas for non-Muslim people then you should all pay a visit! The Bishop WAS right and it is time we reclaimed the Christian heritage of our country!
Posted by Mark Wharton on January 7, 2008 11:41 AM
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Bishop Nazir Ali is not only correct in his view, but right to express them against the will of the politically correct.
Posted by J Allen on January 7, 2008 11:37 AM
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Well done Bishop of course he should not resign for bravely saying the obvious. The Government needs to stop being so supine and the Muslim Council needs to understand that their automatic scream of outrage is ridiculous.Certain sections of population have grouped together with high unemployment rates amongst their young men.Wherever this takes place there are threatening groups of them hanging about looking for action.Rather than denying it the Muslim Council could be saying our young men can't find a job and need extra help.They should be asking the Government to engage with that rather than attacking free speech.
Posted by Frances on January 7, 2008 11:37 AM
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Wow! Is a 'call for resignation' all they asked for? I AM surprised. I thought death threats, fatwas and the like were more up their street. Where is the rhetoric gone?
Posted by George C. on January 7, 2008 11:37 AM
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I suspect there are areas of the UK where ordinary Muslims fear to express their faith or walk alone on the streets. Why does the bishop only see the issue as one-sided?

More worrying is that we have Christians and Muslims slagging each other off again and vying for supremacy on the "my God is better than your God" basis. More proof, if indeed it was needed, that there's nothing quite like religion for setting groups of people at each other's throats.
Posted by Smiddy on January 7, 2008 11:37 AM
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Last time I looked we were still a democratic country with the right to express individual views that others might not agree with. Have the Labour Government finally managed to ban that, along with everything else?
I neither agree nor disagree with the Bishop's comments, but I will fight for his right, and those of everyone else in this country, (whatever their race or creed), to both have freedom of speech and the right to publicly express their views, however controvertial they may be, until the bitter end!
Posted by Jenny/ Southampton on January 7, 2008 11:35 AM
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Reference William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary comment, "I don't think that view is factually correct. I'm not sure where these no-go areas are, I don't recognise that description".
He and all of the other out for what I can get politicians of all parties wouldn't recognise it as they are not at the grass routes of the country, it is not them that gas to live cheek by jowl with these people and take the intimidation the give out to anyone who is not of their faith. I am afraid to say that religous tollerance from the muslim community is virtually none existant towards other faiths and it may not be long before we see in the UK calls by the muslim community for independence. The recent request for calls to prayer in towns and cities of the UK should be refused at all costs as it is the thin end of the wedge, after all we are supposed to be a Christian country and at the moment we seem to be catering for immigrants over and above that of our ethnic British community.
Posted by David Fox on January 7, 2008 11:33 AM
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are muslims now wanting to control free speech.

I am now fed up with what they are trying to do to dominate our society.
THey cannot speak out against their religion,women are second best to men.
They do not alow otehr rligions in many of their own countries,why dont they go and live in a muslim country then they will be happy?

Posted by david g.wood on January 7, 2008 11:27 AM
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Of course the muslims want him to resign - that is the only way they know how to deal with criticism: crush it.

The people of this country have fought for years for freedom of expression - it is what our nation is about. This call is a disgrace to the many good men who died for it - an insult in fact and we should all be deeply offended by it.

A pity they are incapable of ever questioning themselves. They should try to understand the difference between being right and being self-righteous.

Posted by daoud on January 7, 2008 11:27 AM
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Where are the moderate Muslims in our society? Do you see/hear them? Neither do I - do they exist? If so, why do they not speak up?
It would seem that Muslims are here in this country to destroy our way of life, and replace it with their medieval ways, including the laws of Sharia.
Their uneducated Imams teach hate in their Mosques,teachers in their schools teach children to hate any and everyone who has beliefs that differ from their own.
The very democratic beliefs and laws that allowed them into this country in the first place, are now seriously under threat by them,and our government appear to be unable to do anything about it,and seem content to stand idly by and watch all that we have strived to achieve just slip into oblivion.
Something needs to be done before it is REALLY TOO LATE.
Mo
Posted by Mo on January 7, 2008 11:22 AM
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A contrary point which should also make us reflect on our very badly governed country is to ask why are the Scottish regiments no-go areas for British Muslims?
Posted by Archie Grant on January 7, 2008 11:22 AM
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I hope the bishop gets lots of support from his fellow church men. he is right in what he says.
Posted by Glo on January 7, 2008 11:22 AM
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The Bishop of Rochester is right and right to
speak out. How is it that we can live in harmony
with our Hindu, Sikh, Jewish populations and
those of other faiths and it is only the
aggressive, militant Muslims that cause endless
trouble. It's not all Muslims of course (especially
those who live next door to me! ) but those
living in ghettos are the problem.



Posted by christina Speightr on January 7, 2008 11:21 AM
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The bishop should not resign for speaking the truth
The England in which I have lived for 74 years is fast disappearing I fear for the future of my grandchildren and great grandchidren.
Succesive governments have acted like ostriches and now they don't have the guts to do anything about it. God help us.

Posted by Genny on January 7, 2008 11:21 AM
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No. This bishop is right even though most Muslims are tolerant the 10% that are not ruin the whole show....so why don't the 90% tackle these 10% of ridiculous extremists...;simply because they support them...just look at what they now say.
Posted by E. Bee on January 7, 2008 11:18 AM
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Calamity Clegg and William Hague should visit Spitalfields, Oldham, estates in Aylesbury, Blackburn, Burnley. They should 'listen again' to the Radio 5 Live avalanche of calls last night to the phone - there are ghetto areas where to be non muslim is to be so uncomfortable as to necessitate moving. That's the fact. Politicos will go into denial mode 'so as not to frighten the horses'. The Mohammedan spin machine is now well oiled, but it is itself a threat that they call for the Bishop to be sacked, even prosecuted - that reveals their total lack of British culture of free and open debate. They want to shut up any critics.
Posted by Jane on January 7, 2008 11:14 AM
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I watched the nature of the street my grandmother lived on in Bradford begin to change from the 1960s onwards. It once boasted every small shop imaginable, catering to the average needs of the local population, virtually all of whom were working class descendants of a generation of textile workers.

Today, it is unrecognisable, swamped by a tidal wave of Muslim immigration that, long ago, drove out the old indigenous population. Why did they go? Simple, because there was nothing left for them in what became an increasingly alien and even hostile environment.

As one ex-resident once said to me, "When the shop signs are no longer written in English, you become a stranger in your own land".

It is nothing short of a national disgrace that this situation has been allowed to develop.
Posted by ThankYou&Goodnight on January 7, 2008 11:13 AM
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Same old, same old .......
Have these Muslim organisations never heard of Free Speech? Do they REALLY think that Western civilization is never going to say "STOP - you have gone far enough!" The Bishop voiced his opinion - as it happens, an opinion which appears to be shared by the vast majority. That is, apart from lily-livered politicians who "cannot see these no-go areas" and of course the ubiquitous Muslim groups who are in a state of total denial. There aparently ARE no-go areas for non-Muslims in Britain. Were not three Muslims very recently found guilty of the attempted murder of a young non-Muslim in an area of Stepney which they considered to be "Muslim turf"? ..... Why are the Muslim groups not denouncing their own brothers and sisters who engage in these evil acts, instead of seking the resignation of a good and brave man who tells it as it is? On the few occasions on which I visit England, I see areas of West Yorkshire which, frankly, frighten me. Is that latter statement racism? NO, it's what is called "honest opinion".
Posted by Eamonn, Dublin on January 7, 2008 11:12 AM
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When is free speach in this Country undermined? The day a Muslim leader calls for the resignation of a bishop who rightly or wrongly has raised an important issue that needs to be debated by the Country as a whole.Faith has no place in the discussion on citizenship and the laws of this country, which all citizens have a duty to obay.Having also read the life of Mohammed, I see the danger in allowing one faith to believe that they are the true believers and that all non believers are infidels and should not be tolerated(in whichever extreme measure the believer thinks is relevant).This is unBritish, unChristian and intolerant of other faiths, especially your host nation.
Gordon












Posted by gordon McDonald on January 7, 2008 11:11 AM
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Calling for the bishop to resign, merely serves to prove how right he was to make these comments. We (the tolerant British) need more such champions to speak on our behalf; after all no politician dares to speak the truth these days.
Posted by Richard M on January 7, 2008 11:10 AM
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The Bishop is right and good for him for bringing such a serious issue to the forefront for debate. Again our politically correct vote chasing politicians deny the situation of self imposed segregation in our society. If Mr Clegg the Lib Dem leader does not know of any such areas as descibed by the bishop I would be pleaed to take him to the Manningham area of Bradford or Pellon Halifax and drop him off at 8.00pm so he can stroll around to see if the Bishop is correct. All the points stresed by the Bishop are very relevent to non muslim peoples whole live in the Northern ex-textile towns in Yorkshire an Lancashire.
Posted by Andrew Tagg on January 7, 2008 11:09 AM
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As a resident of Bradford for many years i can confirm what the bishop has said, i will glady direct anybody that wishes to know to these no go areas.

The problem is you get apologists either living in their ivory towers or from small towns in southern England that have a tiny muslim population. They have never visited Bradford, Oldham, Blackburn, Burnley etc in their life so of course they havent seen these no go areas.


Posted by Daniel on January 7, 2008 11:09 AM
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The word "Muslims" and the phrase "secular society" cannot be contained in the same sentence without a negative between them. Only Turkey has managed this with limited success and is constantly under strain because of it. Islamic countries tend towards intolerance, whatever pretences British Muslim leaders may express towards secularism. These calls for the resignation of this bishop are a classic example. Britain is, indeed, sleepwalking into severe confrontation by allowing the growth of the Muslim population in the UK - Muslim leaders have no intention of allowing secularism in Britain once they are in a majority, and you can be quite sure that gaining such a majority is an expressed wish of many Muslims, inside and outside Britain. Plenty of Muslims in the middle east talk about the Crusades as if they were yesterday and want revenge. Target #1 - the UK!
Posted by China Brit on January 7, 2008 11:06 AM
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When anyone settles in another country one
should respect the culture of that country and
not seek to impose one's own culture on the
traditions of that country as some Muslims
appear to be doing in this country. Such people
should remove to one of the many Muslim
countries where one would expect them to be
happier. I support the views expressed by Bishop
Nazir Ali.
Posted by David Nicholson on January 7, 2008 11:04 AM
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Didn't a well known and vociferous muslim extremist not so long ago complain that the British home secretary should not visit 'muslim' areas in Britain. Well said that Bishop. One of our few people of authority and influence to live in the real world!
Posted by Grumpy Old Man on January 7, 2008 11:04 AM
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The Bishop is right and good for him for bringing such a serious issue to the forefront for debate. Again our politically correct vote chasing politicians deny the situation of self imposed segregation in our society. If Mr Clegg the Lib Dem leader does not know of any such areas as descibed by the bishop I would be pleaed to take him to the Manningham area of Bradford or Pellon Halifax and drop him off at 8.00pm so he can stroll around to see if the Bishop is correct. All the points stresed by the Bishop are very relevent to non muslim peoples whole live in the Northern ex-textile towns in Yorkshire an Lancashire.
Posted by Andrew Tagg on January 7, 2008 11:01 AM
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I personally believe that the Bishop is most probably right, but what disturbs me more is that the Islamic Society of Great Britain is demanding his resignation because he has exercised his right to freedom of speech.
I saw nothing offensive in what he said At all, unlike the seditious words of one Abu Hamsa. They should stop being so sensitive and get their own house in order before critizing others.
Posted by mike williams in Bangkok on January 7, 2008 10:58 AM
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I am sure many non-Muslims, including religious leaders, will agree with Bishop Nazir Ali. If religious heads have to talk like politicians, then we have major problems in our religions.

Though I am a Hindu, I fully support Bishop Nazir Ali. For being so frank and open, I would like to attend his congregation, whenever I get an opportunity.

Who are those people to ask him to resign? In that case: why not you people go back to from where you have come and kill each other in the name of religion? Either shape up or get out! This message applies to all fanatic Muslims in all secular democracies!
Regards,
Posted by Krishna R. Kumar on January 7, 2008 10:53 AM
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Why is everyone who is not a muslim referred to as a non-muslim? In Britain, still officially a Christian country, it is they, the alien element, who should be called non-Christians don't you think? As for the Bishop of Rochester, of course he is right. I know, having lived in and around Bradford all my life.
Posted by Bradfordian on January 7, 2008 10:39 AM
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The Bishop is speaking unpalatable truth. Tolerance is a two way street, currently being eroded in the UK. One can imagine the reaction in multi-cultural Britain if religious police whipped them out of a supermarket (as I witnessed in Saudi)in order to observe Christian prayer time.
Posted by Peter Scurfield on January 7, 2008 10:36 AM
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I agree with what the Bishop has said. I had to move away from where i lived before because of it.
A neighbour in my street has just moved here for the same reason. my son who is in London also reports the same thing and is trying to move.
It is happening as a matter of fact. Saying it is not happening is not the actual truth.
Posted by mike on January 7, 2008 10:34 AM
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The 'glass back' behaviour of politicians such as Hague and Clegg is the reason why I have stopped voting.
Posted by zooter on January 7, 2008 9:50 AM
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Thank goodness that at last someone has had the courage to voice the views of,I believe, the majority of us. No-one objects to other religions being observed discreetly, as has happened in the past, but the extremist Islamics seem to want to take over, even to the point, heaven forbid, of having broadcast prayer calls in our cities. Our country is Christian and that must remain so, other religions when practiced should be unobserved by the rest of us.
Posted by Phyllis Jones on January 7, 2008 9:18 AM
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The usual outcome. The Muslims call for
resignations and the so called British politicians
claim all is well and dig their heads even further
into the sand.

Posted by Perry on January 7, 2008 8:42 AM
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I look at a lot of the Telegraph comment response articles and I have not yet seen one with such a uniformity of reply. The overwhelming view is that the Bishop is right in his statement. I hope that the Telegraph will be sending a copy these comments to Gordon Brown and to the leaders of all religious groups so they can see what the people really think, and want. Woe betide them if they ignore it.
Posted by Roger Jones on January 7, 2008 8:41 AM
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My tolerance of Islam is proportional to the number of Christian churches in Saudi Arabia.
Posted by Longshanks on January 7, 2008 8:41 AM
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"It's a distortion of reality. Our communities are far more integrated than they were 10 years ago.”

If Ajmal Masroor really means and believes the above statement, then the Bishop’s point is confirmed. Integration into a new country begins the moment one arrives - ten years is far too long and indicates an unwillingness of many Muslims to truly integrate.

The fact that Ajmal Masroor talks about “our communities” is another indictment – integration means you become part of the community as a whole, regardless of faith and cultural differences. To be “more” integrated means that Muslims have failed to fully integrate and do not understand the concept.




Posted by jv on January 7, 2008 8:39 AM
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For once it's time this country was allowed to vent it's thoughts. Why is it yhat other religions and groups get away with complaining about the way we run our country. After all whose country is it. We are being pushed to the limit and please give my full support to the Bishop.
Posted by Bert Craig on January 7, 2008 8:38 AM
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It's interesting that the muslims have called for the resignation of Bishop of Rochester for inciting hatred - where were they when the cleric Hamza was doing exactly that against their host nation? Politicians are like judges - they should get out more - but that's not why they are in power is it! It's about time non-muslims reclaim their freedoms of speech and expression. If Muslims speak out against other religions then they should suffer the same consequences they are so ready to mete out to others!!!
Posted by Michele, Saumur France on January 7, 2008 8:36 AM
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The Bishop is 100% right !
Posted by Doderer on January 7, 2008 8:33 AM
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I've been a Muslim for 17 years this month and I'm married to a Roman Catholic. The Bishops comments about no-go areas are quite simply nonsense. Either he produces evidence, supported by the police or academics, or he should be sacked. He can say what he likes about multiculturalism, but scaremongering on the basis of unsubstantiated allegations is entirely unacceptable.
Posted by Yunus Islam on January 7, 2008 8:33 AM
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What exactly is a "no go" area if you purport to be a follower of Jesus? I hope the Bishop isn't speaking for himself as a Christian! I also hope that Christians living in these areas are courageous enough to share their faith with Muslims and so are outward and upward looking people!
Posted by David on January 7, 2008 8:32 AM
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I live in South London and I know EXACTLY what he is talking about. He is if anything, understating the problem. What is the world coming to when a Bishop can't tell the truth!

Worried?

You should be!!

Posted by Ben Moss on January 7, 2008 8:32 AM
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Sadly, I agree with the bishop. I have experienced the oppressive and often abusive approach by Muslims in their "safe" enclaves against non-Muslims. I am also very aware of their intolerance of other religions and ethnicity. We have a serious problem in this country with the cancerous growth of Islamic fandamentalism. But we also have a problem with the less educated or wordly Muslim, who is also indoctriniated with Islamic extremisim and thus poses just as much of a danger to a decent and tolerant society as the activists. We as a tolerant society have to become intolerant of ALL no-go areas. Forget the ridiculous human rights act, and let's start telling the truth. Islamic fundamentalism is a direct threat to all non-Muslisms and the perpetrators of this exreme doctrine must be deported if non-UK citizens or punished in substantiv terms. If we do nothing, we all know what will happen.
Posted by Karen on January 7, 2008 8:31 AM
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Spot on. I can only support Oliver Chettle's statement (1:27 AM): The good bishop should replace Williams in Canterbury. As for the chances of the bishop's warnings being heeded: zilch. And Mr Hague really should put a sock in it.
Posted by Timothy on January 7, 2008 8:31 AM
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Yes the Bishop is correct. We have an established church in this country which needs to be respected for being just that.
We also have free speech which allows concerns to be voiced without fear of reprisals.
Posted by Sheila Sullivan on January 7, 2008 8:30 AM
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Absolutely correct, and view with the gravest suspicion any muslim leader who denies the truth of what the Bishop has said.
Posted by abigail on January 7, 2008 8:25 AM
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Surely the UK Government and politically correct local authorities have done more to make some communities hostile to Christians then any fundamentalists have done?
Posted by David Young on January 7, 2008 8:22 AM
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Primarily, why is the bishop criticized for stating
the obvious and secondly the attitude of moslem
commentators plainly indicates their attitude to
free speech together with a breathtaking
arrogance in demanding the resignation of a
senior member of our church.

The obsequious remarks of Hague and Clegg are
beneath comment
Posted by P M Banthorpe on January 7, 2008 8:18 AM
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The resignation call is not necessary but I understand that the social climber of a Bishop Nazir Ali has scuttled off abroad like a rabbit whilst his inflammatory article was being published here.

If he states that multiculturalism is not working, he can believe in his comments and logically stay wherever he is.
Posted by K. Urban on January 7, 2008 8:17 AM
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The HIJAB is not a costume that should be allowed in our everyday lives.

The UK is a CHRISTIAN COUNTRY, don't like, well GO, it is as easy as that.
Posted by Valerie on January 7, 2008 8:04 AM
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The goverment is wholly to blame for ruining this countries culture!
What would happen if I moved to Pakistan, started up a church and rung the bells on a Sunday? Would the local Muslim leader be sacked for complaining?? I think not! Quid pro quo!
Posted by Fed up and ready to emmigrate on January 7, 2008 8:03 AM
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If Mr Hague would like to visit Blackburn (not as a political tour but an ordinary person) I would gladly show him a number of the no-go areas that have developed, I'm sure that within minutes of walking some of these areas with me he would not make such glib remarks.
Posted by Mick Pearson on January 7, 2008 8:01 AM
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Of course Christians can live as a tiny minority in an Islamic society - although not without difficulties. Just visit Constantinople/Istanbul and find out how.
Posted by Maurice Alton Honeywell on January 7, 2008 7:53 AM
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Personally I want to see this man installed as Archbishop of Canterbury.

He speaks for the vast majority of British Christians, both home and abroad.
Posted by Rob, Dubai, UAE on January 7, 2008 7:51 AM
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clearly the answer is yes.
Posted by john wiffen on January 7, 2008 7:45 AM
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I fully support William Hagues comments - where are these no-go areas which these Church leaders are mentioning ? - if the Church cannot be inclusive and accept the diversity of modern British society then it`s somewhat disingenous to accuse Muslims of failing to intergrate ...
Posted by John Bates on January 7, 2008 7:36 AM
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William Hague would not know - he is a) a non-professing Christian b) a politician c) has Richmond in North Yorkshire as his constituency

He is having a Marie Antoinette Moment and discrediting himself totally. The Bishop of Rochester is perfectly correct and knows Bradford, Burnley, Oldham, Keighley far better than Young Hague who should keep out of religious matters.

Why do politicians feel the need to comment on Religion ? Or is it Saudi coin that brings them to be Apologists for Islam
Posted by Voyager on January 7, 2008 7:32 AM
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Good on the Bishop! What he said is absolutely right. We don't hear many Muslims condeming the rascist, anti-semitc and violent language coming out of some mosques do we? It's about time the Muslim Council of Britain got its act together and looked at the intolerance and bigotry amongst some of its own in this country.
Posted by Vicky on January 7, 2008 7:30 AM
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There are many areas of England that I will not go to for fear of attack & in some of those areas there may be a Muslim majority. The fear is not of the Muslim people but of the criminals that seem to have free rein in our streets. If it is true about the broadcasting of the call to prayers, & it imposed on my life, I would object to it. The Bishop should - as should we all - be free to comment.
Posted by John Cleeve on January 7, 2008 7:27 AM
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It is time that non-muslims started to worry about the growth of fundamentalism. Christian birth rates are falling, whilst muslim numbers are growing. In our democratic society, muslims will soon be able to use the system to vote in their laws!
Posted by Mal Brooks on January 7, 2008 7:09 AM
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absolutely. ifyou come to north east london you can see what the bishop means, and if you are english dont come alone. its not safe.
Posted by max bernstein on January 7, 2008 6:45 AM
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The Bishop was right to raise the questions he did.
Posted by Peter Davies on January 7, 2008 6:22 AM
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Once again muslims, by their intolerance, prove the Bishop is right.
Posted by Geoffrey on January 7, 2008 6:22 AM
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As someone who lived in Burnley, I find the commnets insulting. Yes there are sometimes disagreements, but on the whole the community is well integrated and harmonious.
Posted by Hamad Lone on January 7, 2008 6:05 AM
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I believe that the bishop's comments are very much justified. I personally believe that muslim head covering should be banned and this is a symbol of male oppression of females.
Posted by . Laker on January 7, 2008 6:04 AM
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Comparing Church bells to the Islamic call to prayer is simply daft. HOW can any sane human being compare the two and conclude that they're the same? Nick Clegg is an idiot.
Posted by Gbenga Williams on January 7, 2008 5:59 AM
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The good Bishop shouldn't resign for two reasons.
Firstly, he's absolutely right in his assesment.
Secondly, if he resigns, Britain would lose a voice that isn't afraid to talk frankly and openly about this very serious issue. If he was a caucasian man, we'd have heard screams of "racist" by now.
Bishop Nazir-Ali should stay put. He must not resign. This resignation call is another attempt by Muslims to silence critical voices. If I were Muslim, I'd do some soul searching as to why my religion is so controversial.
Posted by Gbenga Williams on January 7, 2008 5:52 AM
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Definitely he should NOT resign. We demand the right to speak our minds. Maybe the extremists will one day get their way and ruin the UK but until that day we must demand these people accept they are in a free world, not the countries they left behind. If they don't like the British culture, leave Britain. BRITAIN; LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT
Posted by Tony McCann on January 7, 2008 5:35 AM
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I understood that England, and mainland Europe in general, was/were christian countries (C of E, catholic, anglican etc.). What are these muslim leaders moaning about when a man in authority airs his views about what is happening. Let us hope that the politicians take some note of these comments and do something about it.
Posted by Graham Spurrier on January 7, 2008 5:33 AM
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I think it is rather strange that Mohammedans are saying that +Nazir-Ali is promoting hatred. Rather, I think hatred comes from another quarter. What is characteristic of England is tolerance, a respect for free speech and a welcome for those who, of their own volition, wish to live in England. However that requires an integrated society which rejects extremism.
Posted by John on January 7, 2008 5:28 AM
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Sir, I have spent a lot of my working life in Africa/Middle East and my tolerance is wearing thin.
Our government is partially to blame for allowing ethnic minorities free rein. To acknowledge that they are in OUR country and must respect OUR religion and conform to OUR rules is the least the
government should insist on...but then I think of the government!!
Posted by Charles Lamburn on January 7, 2008 4:57 AM
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The existence or non-existence of "no go" areas for non-Muslims in some British cities and towns is a factual matter which should be determined by responsible investigative reporting. The Bishop of Rochester must now produce solid evidence for his assertions. And Muslims need to recognise that their self-chosen separateness from wider British society increasingly worries their non-Muslim neighbours.
Posted by Anthony Wright on January 7, 2008 4:51 AM
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I am a British citizen of Chinese origin. Speaking for myself and all of my Chinese friends, there are numerous Muslim areas in Britain we would not go. We do not have such inhibitions with respect to all other religious or ethnic groups in Britain.

The Bishop has merely stated what a lot of people already know and agree.
Ironically, it is the agressive behavior and militant attitude of those who call for the Bishop's resignation that invite hatred towards Muslims.

Posted by Y.H. Wang on January 7, 2008 4:35 AM
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Bishop John Goddard's interpretation questioning how to enable people of different cultures, races and faiths to live together as one nation pre-supposes that this is the goal of people from all cultures and faiths. The question is what if this is not something which is important to or wanted by significant groupings eg as may be witnessed by the increase in the wearing of the hijab, the meaning behind this and the response of many non Muslims to it? As for William Hague well, maybe he should look properly rather allow himself to be quoted with quite fatuous comments. If he did then he would quickly find evidence of the often frightening difficulties faced daily by many many ordinary people.
Posted by David on January 7, 2008 4:33 AM
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I sincerely hope the bishop holds his ground. He is correct. I am Canadian but ethnically British so I have travelled to Britain frequently to visit family. Any idiot who refuses to believe that "no-go" zones exist should pay a visit to the Manningham district of Bradford or Keighley and see for themselves. It is appalling and I cannot understand why the British put up with it.
Posted by liam moredburn on January 7, 2008 4:22 AM
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What the Bishop has said is not only true, it is supported by remarks made by Islamist leaders and reported in your own newspaper.

In particular, apostate Muslims now practising Christianity undoubtedly and justifiably feel threatened in Islamist dominated regions of the United Kingdom. Their very lives are threatened and from time to time taken.

Posted by Jonathan Wilton on January 7, 2008 4:15 AM
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Another unpalatable truth about the influence of this horrible religion & another call by the usual pressure groups for the messenger to resign.
Posted by Rob on January 7, 2008 3:58 AM
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The Bishop's comments are valid. On a recent trip to my home city, Birmingham, I visited an area I had not been to in many years, Alum Rock, an area where I used to purchase Indian food. As I drove onto the main high street, I became increasingly uncomfortable, noticing that I was the only white person in sight. Then, as I proceeded slowly up the congested main street, I realized I was drawing much attention - this, indeed, felt like a no-go area for me. Then, I stopped at the main traffic lights, and a group of about 7-8 young Asian males started moving towards my car. Thankfully, the light turned green before they reached me and I was able to drive away.

I was protected by my car and the idea of actually getting out and sharing my faith with anyone would definitely have put my safety at risk.

The reaction to the Bishop's comments is typical of a faith that cannot receive criticism.
Posted by Dave on January 7, 2008 3:41 AM
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Why do you ask what your readers think?

From the voluminous response to the headline article, you must already know.

William Hague has not the same experience as the rest of us, since his constituency of Richmond (N. Yorks.) and his other hunting grounds in SW1 are fairly unchallenged by the problem Bishop Nazir-Ali describes.


Posted by jaytt on January 7, 2008 3:34 AM
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Since when in a democratic country does having an opinion mean that you should loose your job?

I do not see any one person,group or religious faith being victimised here and therefore no laws broken.

Surely this is about culture and the people of Britain need to decide what the culture of being British means and embrace it not be pushed back against a wall because your opinion is not what everyone wants to hear.

Have a clearly identified culture, promote that culture and everything should be easier moving forward. Frankly I am no longer clear what being British really means anymore?
Posted by Overseas Brit on January 7, 2008 3:11 AM
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I commend Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali for speaking the truth.
Posted by S. Wallace on January 7, 2008 3:10 AM
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YES.
Posted by jonathan Clark on January 7, 2008 2:59 AM
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Lets see, the Bishop says that its unsafe for non-Muslims to go to certain parts of Britain. The Muslim response is to demand that he be sacked. Britain has a terrible problem, almost as bad as its government
Posted by Kate Stonehedge on January 7, 2008 2:58 AM
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Yes. Absolutely. Commonsense at last!
Only thin-skinned, over-sensitive & self-interested minorities gain a benefit from Multi-Culturalism.

Posted by Steven Clarke on January 7, 2008 2:51 AM
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The reaction of the Muslim Council and Telegraph readers demonstrates that Bishop Nazir-Ali is perfectly correct. There is a glaringly obvious 'no-go' area for non-Muslims in Britain - any non-Muslim who dares to criticise or even question aspects of Islam is instantly subjected to demands for his/her resignation or worse. Why do we as Christians not demand the resignation of Mohammed Shafiq for accusing one of our leaders of racism? Why are those who purport to represent Islam so sensitive to criticism? Have they got something to hide?
Posted by Adam Beer on January 7, 2008 2:41 AM
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He is right. 20 years on and we will have walls up in cities not unlike those in Belfast in the late 20th century. Some Young Brits go of to foreign countries as mercenaries, because they are bored. Young Muslims are no different. But due lack of work or not wanting to work and generous benefit and credit systems, find excitement in becoming part of radicalism. Parts of East London are already like it. The walls are ready to be built, tearing them down will be another story.
Posted by Tez on January 7, 2008 2:37 AM
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While I have not visited England in some years now,
I must admit that what I read online in the
newspapers tells of an England that i don't
recognise. I think you have a very unhealthy post-
colonial guilt (not justified) and you have given up
your country to let others rule. I am an American
who loves England and I feel you must take action
before it is too late.
Posted by susan Kelley on January 7, 2008 2:33 AM
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When you get a large percentage of the Bishops not disagreeing with the remarks then you know that what has been said is true.
Always ask what any British subject can implement in the Islamic countries when talking of Law or Christianity then you will establish a zero tolerance. Anyone wanting Sharia Law in the UK should be expelled back to a country where they can enjoy it.
Posted by John Douglas on January 7, 2008 2:26 AM
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I think the people in power, whether it be the government or C of E, need to catch up with public opinion.

Most people I speak to aren't discussing whether there is a problem or not, but what on earth we are going to do about it!
Posted by Lance Armstrong on January 7, 2008 2:12 AM
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I was born and brought up in the UK, I received a superb education from the school and University system there, I left Britain in 1990 as I had a vision of what the country would become. Some 18 years later this article bears truth to my belief that for my kids to have a balanced life I did the right thing. The UK is now the multicultural melting pot of the world and is stretched to the limit. My parents and people of their generation did not have this as their long term vision of the future when they fought world wars or were conscripted to national service. The governments of the 80's and 90's have created a terrible mess for the indiginous British populous. I now live in the USA where this kind of concept would not be allowed, it is that simple. The UK government needs to take control of Britain and govern as a government should. The USA is a shining example of how a multicultural population works in harmony. The UK and the government there has much to learn before it is too late.

A disallusioned ex pat with dreams of returning home one day, but ever more this seems very unlikely
Posted by Alan from Spring, TX, USA on January 7, 2008 2:12 AM
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As always, we seemed to be forever drawn into a never ending circular argument about faith and following. The truth of the matter is that are many more people who do not follow any religion in this county, than those who do. However our politician's are totally out of step in supporting all religions, full stop!

This response will probably not be published because it appears to be anti Islamic, but let's be clear about the bigger picture here.

Islam is attempting to grow from its natural Middle Easten and Far Eastern roots. It's a reverse form of convertion. Steadily move into non Islamic areas and seek to convert locals. Failing that, import more followers of Islam from home until a tipping point is reached. A point were more followers of Islam populate the area than any other group. Police and local government starts to turn a blind eye to the introduction of Sharia law by the back door. Look around certain city's, including London, we see just that...the Lebanon, MkII.

The Bishop spoke his feelings and they have been published. Calls for his sacking, are a given. But then Islam seems to me to work on a system of action, reaction: 'I stamp on your foot and you scream my gods name in vain, therefore I have every justification in killing you'...and so the crazy logic works.

In doing what was done in 9/11, extreme Islam insured that the West would respond excactly as it did. Extreme Islam needed the Americans and British to do what they have done in order to galvanise muslims behind them as justification, it's the same nuts logic...but it works! They can say that look, the Americans want us dead, so we must kill them first!

It's utter nonsense, if it weren't so very deadly.
Posted by David Downes on January 7, 2008 2:11 AM
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basically we have reached a point where islam is beyond criticism. which is not good.
Posted by Dr Kevin Law on January 7, 2008 2:05 AM
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Perhaps he should resign, he has obviously offended a large section of the population. Isn't their a law against religious vilification? What he says might be true or not, but that isn't the point, peoples feelings have been hurt.Cha

Posted by Tom Bowden on January 7, 2008 1:48 AM
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Well done Bishop!!! At last someone who cares about our nation and our faith. As a fellow asian believer, it gave me great encouragement to see a believer from a muslim background standing up for the truth and being bold and full of understanding and wisdom given to him by our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Thank the Lord that there is someone like yourself who genuinely cares about the state and well-being of this country, rather than the vote-grabbing policitians, like Nick Clegg, who are so out of touch with reality and truth.

May you continue boldly in your ministry and God bless you abundantly.


Posted by Anonymous on January 7, 2008 1:45 AM
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Yes The Dear +Bishop is right and needs to be heeded by our government.

I have been spat upon by some moslems as I walked through a car park ,simply for wearing my collar.

I have had activists spit on me also , It is sad as I do not either.

Revd Rich (Vicar)
Posted by Revd Richard+ on January 7, 2008 1:42 AM
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Obviously the Muslims do not understand the concept of free speech.
Can they tell us whether they would have the same reaction if one of their Imans said the same thing about Christians?
Oh, I forgot. Christians in Pakistan and Arabia, once a vibrant force, have been virtually eliminated due to malign autocracy.
What price so called Democracy in the UK?
Sometimes I feel our politicians want an end to British society as it once was.
I hope they really understand what they might be getting!
Posted by Arthur Young on January 7, 2008 1:36 AM
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To ask the question is, if you are English, to answer it. Indeed why isn't Michael Nazir-Ali in charge at Canterbury?
Posted by benn on January 7, 2008 1:34 AM
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As an atheist, I have to say that this resignation call is intolerant nonsense. Whether or not the bishop's comments are correct, he is entitled to make them. The Muslims are only reinforcing negative perceptions of their own lack of tolerance.
Posted by Oliver Chettle on January 7, 2008 1:27 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/07/nmuslim107.xml

3:02 PM GMT+8  
Blogger bernie said...

It is not intolerance if the facts are true. It is unpleasant, perhaps even rude, but it is not intolerance.

I linked to your article from UK Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims: Excerpt: Regular readers of mine will not be surprised, rather they already have been told by me that this is what we can expect of Muslim infestations in Western countries. I should point out that these areas in the UK are not populated mostly by extremists. These are areas where mostly moderate Muslims live.

2:10 AM GMT+8  

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